Verizon has been listening to nanog.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2007-10-23-verizon-fios-plan_N.htm

20 Mbps down, 20 Mbps up, fully symmetrical for $65.

Strangely enough it's where they compete with CableVisions 30Mbps
down, 5Mbps up plan first.

I wonder if they will permit BGP announcements from the business grade
FIOS service? Does anyone know?

I was pleased when during the Q/A the question of service caps was posed
as one of the first items.

Regards,

Edward A. Trdina III

Senior Network/Systems Engineer

Clayton Kendall, Inc.
150 West Street
East Pittsburgh, PA 15112

Office (412)829-2201 x31
Cell (412)334-8000

Edward A. Trdina III wrote:

I wonder if they will permit BGP announcements from the business grade
FIOS service? Does anyone know?

man tun|tinc|openvpn|*swan|ipsec|...

If they don't allow it and you can live with a few bytes of overhead per
packet, nothing (except hard firewalling and doing weird things, thus
effectively not providing Internet connectivity) can stop them.

Greets,
Jeroen

That's pretty sweet, now all they have to do is start laying the fiber
over here...

Hex Star wrote:

Now that I've gotten caught up on my inbox, perhaps this apropos article
will be viewed as more timely for this list than my earlier outburst:

http://www.beskerming.com/commentary/2007/10/24/292/PhD_Student_Claims_200x_Improvement_for_Copper_Broadband

(there's also a link in the article WRT to the Verizon issue of
copper XOR fiber.)

The question here is always DISTANCE, and the plant topology.

  I live close to fiber, but due to the way the boundaries are
drawn, I can't just go to the closest CO, I need to go to the one that
is 50k feet away. If they can do even 10Mb/s at a distance greater than
5 miles it's a welcome innovation. If it requires 350Mhz capable copper,
only works up to 1k feet, etc.. then i'd much rather have a conduit with
fiber appear nearby.

  Perhaps the neighboring Verizon plant will extend into the currently
legacy SBC area, but I can only dream...

  Time to do my own build-out.

  - Jared