Personally, I don't like spam, but I tolerate the messages
that slip through to my mailbox as a penalty for my own
laziness in not tightening down my spam rules. Today I got
one that I couldn't believe.
--snip--
Spam Hosting - from 20$ per mounth.
Fraud Hosting - from 30$ per mounth.
Stoln Credit Cards, Fake ID, DL's.
Spam For free only from 1.02.2004 to 5.02.2004.
--snip--
It's just wrong in my opinion, and exacerbated by the fact
that it was spammend to our abuse account. Their /24 just
fell off of my piece of the internet. Have I just been
blind to this all along, or are the spammers getting bolder?
-Ejay
** Reply to message from "Ejay Hire" <ejay.hire@isdn.net> on Mon, 2 Feb
2004 15:01:19 -0600
Personally, I don't like spam, but I tolerate the messages
that slip through to my mailbox as a penalty for my own
laziness in not tightening down my spam rules. Today I got
one that I couldn't believe.
--snip--
Spam Hosting - from 20$ per mounth.
Fraud Hosting - from 30$ per mounth.
Stoln Credit Cards, Fake ID, DL's.
Spam For free only from 1.02.2004 to 5.02.2004.
--snip--
It's just wrong in my opinion, and exacerbated by the fact
that it was spammend to our abuse account. Their /24 just
fell off of my piece of the internet. Have I just been
blind to this all along, or are the spammers getting bolder?
-Ejay
This is known as "Rule #3" on n.a.n-a.e... Spammers are stupid.
this is actually a somewhat well known situation, it appears
that there are two warring groups of spammers joe-jobbing
each other (and if you look at the from addresses, you may
see them trying to get various ISP and anti-spammer mail
boxes pounded by angry responses.)
i've got a whole collection of them. been getting them
for months.
it's also somewhat offtopic for this list. i suggest that
followups be off list, unless they can be typed into
IOS.
richard
In article <200402022103.i12L3c623832@rex.isdn.net>, Ejay Hire <ejay.hire@isdn.net> writes
Personally, I don't like spam, but I tolerate the messages
that slip through to my mailbox as a penalty for my own
laziness in not tightening down my spam rules. Today I got
one that I couldn't believe.
--snip--
Spam Hosting - from 20$ per mounth.
Fraud Hosting - from 30$ per mounth.
Stoln Credit Cards, Fake ID, DL's.
Spam For free only from 1.02.2004 to 5.02.2004.
--snip--
It's just wrong in my opinion, and exacerbated by the fact
that it was spammend to our abuse account. Their /24 just
fell off of my piece of the internet. Have I just been
blind to this all along, or are the spammers getting bolder?
Remember, all spammers lie. But what were these spammers lying about?
ejay.hire@isdn.net ("Ejay Hire") writes:
It's just wrong in my opinion, and exacerbated by the fact
that it was spammend to our abuse account. Their /24 just
fell off of my piece of the internet. Have I just been
blind to this all along, or are the spammers getting bolder?
the spammers have nothing to fear from you, or us, or me, or anybody. with
the incredible number of bottomfeeders and antivirus companies polluting the
econsystem with their own various get-rich-quick schemes, there's no way to
tell the difference between good and bad traffic, good and bad intent, good
and bad providers, etc. the spam/antispam battleground is all just mud now.
Everyone should be glad for the Internet making all of us feel like rich
and famous. A lot more people want our attention (and money) than we wish
to deal with. And this is not only the spam problem - the
technology-related privacy and identity issues are merely the other side
of the same phenomenon - the rich & famous had to fight with gossips,
paparazzi and various con artists for as long as there were money, power
and fame.
And because rich and famous had this problem for a long, long time, they
managed to devise some solutions. So everything we do about "cyberage"
problems like spam is going to be some automation of those old solutions.
Call me elitist, or old-worlder, but my preferred way of dealing with it
is "choose who you are associating with". Introductions. In newspeak -
whitelists.
--vadim
Its called a joe job - spammers do it when they get spanked by an antispammer
or someone else they don't like. Usually happens right after their service
gets shut off, but they could do it for dozens of reasons. Hipcrime (aka
dippy) loves doing this, and less then two months ago he went on a joe job
spree spamming my home phone number and a dozen other people's.
They are bold, and don't seem to fear anyone. You can keep killing them, and
they don't learn.
Don't forget that the bulk of SPAM sent nowadays originate from zombie M$
boxes sitting on home broadband connections. Be very sure that the IP
space is owned by the guilty party before blackholing addresses.
That's because nobody's _killing_ them.
There is an anecdotal story of some russian ISP actually sending few
toughs to beat up some HACK0R DUD3Z. That ISP had seen a dramatically
decreased number of attacks on its servers and customers.
--vadim