Not a very informative discussion.
Points of fact...
From Verizon's January filings regarding 2014Q4:
1. Verizon has about eight million FIOS customers.
2. "Fifty-nine percent of FiOS consumer Internet customers subscribed
to data speeds of at least 50Mbps, up from 46 percent one year earlier."
From a Verizon press release last summer, all FIOS speeds are now
symmetric.
http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/07/verizon-fios-finally-symmetrical-upload-speeds-boosted-to-match-download/
ADSL development proceeded the development of the consumer Internet. The
original patent was filed in 1988. DSL was designed originally to deliver
video in an ISDN/ATM world. For that reason, it was asymmetric.
The backend is still symmetric. It's still something like 1.25 gigs up and 2.5 gigs down. You can only beat that going to AE.
Damn A key... I mean asymmetric.
The backend is still symmetric. It's still something like 1.25 gigs up and 2.5 gigs down. You can only beat that going to AE.
Truth is, once the user is achieving what they consider to be acceptable performance they don't care if it is symmetric or not.
Not a very informative discussion.
Points of fact...
From Verizon's January filings regarding 2014Q4:
1. Verizon has about eight million FIOS customers.
2. "Fifty-nine percent of FiOS consumer Internet customers subscribed to data speeds of at least 50Mbps, up from 46 percent one year earlier."
Eight million FIOS customers does not even come close to representing the bulk of users out there. In fact, it does not even represent the majority of "high speed" customers out there.
From a Verizon press release last summer, all FIOS speeds are now symmetric.
And no one cares. I don't even see Verizon commercials crowing about how great it is to have symmetry. If customers loved it that much don't you think they would market that way?
http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/07/verizon-fios-finally-symmetrical-upload-speeds-boosted-to-match-download/
ADSL development proceeded the development of the consumer Internet. The original patent was filed in 1988. DSL was designed originally to deliver video in an ISDN/ATM world. For that reason, it was asymmetric.
ADSL did not proceed the development of the consumer Internet in the commercial world. If it did, we would never have gone with dial-up modems. Patent dates have very little to do with commercial availability at all. Please give me an example of a purchasable service using ADSL prior to its use in Internet delivery. The number one reason ADSL succeeded and SDSL did not.....you could put an ADSL signal on the phone line you already had in your house, SDSL required a new loop to be ordered. Faster to provision and it can be done without a truck roll.
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
The most important point is yes, that no one cares. If people wanted it, it would be sold to them. End. of. story.
The backend is still symmetric. It's still something like 1.25 gigs up and 2.5 gigs down. You can only beat that going to AE.
Truth is, once the user is achieving what they consider to be acceptable performance they don't care if it is symmetric or not.
Not a very informative discussion.
Points of fact...
>From Verizon's January filings regarding 2014Q4:
1. Verizon has about eight million FIOS customers.
2. "Fifty-nine percent of FiOS consumer Internet customers subscribed to data speeds of at least 50Mbps, up from 46 percent one year earlier."
Eight million FIOS customers does not even come close to representing the bulk of users out there. In fact, it does not even represent the majority of "high speed" customers out there.
>From a Verizon press release last summer, all FIOS speeds are now symmetric.
And no one cares. I don't even see Verizon commercials crowing about how great it is to have symmetry. If customers loved it that much don't you think they would market that way?
Hi Steve,
I live in the Tampa Bay area and I see Verizon commercial all the time where other ISP customers are complaining that theirs ISP take so long to upload pictures, backups, etc.
Plus there are commercial with people on an escalator where the up escalator is much slower than the down escalator and people are complaining up should be as fast as down.
Regards,
Steve
I will repeat myself, speaking very slowly. Please see original message for
citations.
Verizon has eight million FIOS customers. As of last year, Verizon decided
it was worth it to supply all of those customers with symmetric speeds. So,
by your reasoning, people wanted it, so it was sold to them.
Verizon is only one of many fiber-based ISPs selling symmetric speeds.
What Fletcher Wrote, in spades.
I will wager that most residential customers have never heard of symmetric
speeds. I also will wager that they would like to be able to send large mail
faster, upload to Yahoo! and other web hosting services faster, and so on. I
know that *this* particular Cox Business customer would like faster uplink
speeds, and doesn't see 20 MBps in either direction on the best days; since
this is the threshold for "broadband" according to Uncle Charlie, Cox is not
providing me "broadband" service.
Before I got into this, I "owned" large to very large IBM mainframe computers.
There *always* was latent demand for bigger and faster, much the same way an
Interstate highway, on the day it is opened for service, is *always* over its
design capacity immediately, on the day it is opened.
"Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund@medline.com> writes:
From a Verizon press release last summer, all FIOS speeds are now symmetric.
And no one cares. I don't even see Verizon commercials crowing
about how great it is to have symmetry. If customers loved it that
much don't you think they would market that way?
You must not get out much. There's a whole Verizon ad campaign about
"half fast Internet".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr5WWFuJeM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPqeDokFnok
-r
From a Verizon press release last summer, all FIOS speeds are now symmetric.
And no one cares. I don't even see Verizon commercials crowing about
how great it is to have symmetry. If customers loved it that much
don't you think they would market that way?
You must not get out much. There's a whole Verizon ad campaign about "half fast Internet".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr5WWFuJeM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPqeDokFnok
And no one seems to care about it. By the way, Verizon commercials do not run everywhere. Like Chicago or anywhere else that FIOS is not available.
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
"Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund@medline.com> writes:
From a Verizon press release last summer, all FIOS speeds are now symmetric.
And no one cares. I don't even see Verizon commercials crowing about
how great it is to have symmetry. If customers loved it that much
don't you think they would market that way?
You must not get out much. There's a whole Verizon ad campaign about "half fast Internet".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr5WWFuJeM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPqeDokFnok
And no one seems to care about it. By the way, Verizon commercials
do not run everywhere. Like Chicago or anywhere else that FIOS is
not available.
So let me get this straight - you conclude that there are no
commercials and opine that nobody cares because you're not seeing FIOS
commercials that talk about how great their symmetry is... when you
live in a place that there is no FIOS. It's almost as if someone
knows how to target their marketing dollars isn't it? Shocking.
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
Rob Seastrom
Leesburg VA
75 symmetric FIOS, 9.9ms to Equinix.
Well, it's not quite that simple. I run a global network so I buy lots of services in lots of countries and areas so I can tell you what out there even though I don't see FIOS commercials on my local TV channels, we are quite aware of the capabilities of FIOS and its competitors. I have lots of FIOS services, various cable services, Uverse, Xfinity, most carrier gig E services. I have both business class and residential services as well as dedicated fiber paths and microwave systems so yeah, I know what service is available just about anywhere you would like to discuss.
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
From a Verizon press release last summer, all FIOS speeds are now symmetric.
And no one cares. I don't even see Verizon commercials crowing
about how great it is to have symmetry. If customers loved it that
much don't you think they would market that way?
You must not get out much. There's a whole Verizon ad campaign about "half fast Internet".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr5WWFuJeM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPqeDokFnok
And no one seems to care about it. By the way, Verizon commercials do
not run everywhere. Like Chicago or anywhere else that FIOS is not
available.
So let me get this straight - you conclude that there are no commercials and opine that nobody cares because you're not seeing FIOS commercials that talk about how great their symmetry is... when you live in a place that there is no FIOS. It's almost as if someone knows how to target their marketing dollars isn't it? Shocking.
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
Rob Seastrom
Leesburg VA
75 symmetric FIOS, 9.9ms to Equinix.
That presumes you can predict what will be sold tomorrow, which is
more what this discussion is about.
If people wanted smartphones in 2006 they would have been sold to
them, etc. Ooops, not really until the iphone launched in 2007. etc.
Besides, the comment presumes a competitive market which it isn't, in
almost all US markets last mile is a monopoly or very small N (like 2
or 3) oligopoly.
You can choose between asymmetric service from the CATV company OR
asymmetric service from your telco.
Aha, you apparently want asymmetric service! Well I suppose that's
settled!