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Mike Hammett wrote:

Except there are literally thousands of independent ISPs in the US,

> many 10+ years old that aren't likely to be going anywhere and
> they are moving to constructing their own wireline.

Many ILECs enjoying regional monopoly should be 100+ years old:

  Incumbent local exchange carrier - Wikipedia
  Various regional independents also held incumbent monopolies
  in their respective regions.

  Independent telephone company - Wikipedia
  By 1903 while the Bell system had 1,278,000 subscribers on
  1,514 main exchanges, the independents, excluding non-profit
  rural cooperatives, claimed about 2 million subscribers on
  6,150 exchanges.[1]
  The size ranged from small mom and pop companies run by a
  husband and wife team, to large independent companies,

many of which should now be PON operators still enjoying regional
monopoly.

So?

            Masataka Ohta

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Where did you think that condensation was going to get you in this conversation?

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Where did you think that condensation was going to get you in this conversation?

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Mike Hammett wrote:

Where did you think that condensation was going to get you in
this conversation?

I was involved in this thread because of your totally wrong
statement of:

: I selfishly hope they don't because that's where independent
: operators will succeed. :wink:

First of all, "Spectrum (legacy TWC)" is not a small company.

Moreover, as is stated in wikipedia that:

> Incumbent local exchange carrier - Wikipedia
> Various regional independents also held incumbent monopolies
> in their respective regions.

many independent operators are keep succeeding for 100+ years
not because they unreasonably cut maintenance cost but because
they have archived regional monopoly.

            Masataka Ohta

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In no way is what I said wrong. Incumbent operators (coax or copper pairs) screw things up constantly (whether technically or in the business side of things), prompting a sea of independent operators to overbuild them (or fill in where they haven’t). I was responding specifically to what Eric said, “I wish that the people running the networks at residential last mile operators with many hundreds of thousands up to dozens of millions of CPEs would push back against efforts from executives/management to participate in this race to the bottom of cost and network quality.”

I don’t mean non-RBOC ILECs. I mean WISPs, regional fiber operators, Bob from down the street that retired and built a fiber company to serve his small town. I mean companies with less than 10,000 customers and are younger than 20 years. There are literally thousands of them in the US and they’re only getting more formidable in the face of lousy incumbents.

Oh, and I just noticed that spell check moved me away from condescension, rather than closer to it. Oops.

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Micro trenching…in suburban or rural deployments?

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Mike Hammett wrote:

In no way is what I said wrong. Incumbent operators (coax or copper pairs) screw things up constantly (whether technically or in the business side of things), prompting a sea of independent operators
to overbuild them (or fill in where they haven't).

See below:

: Incumbent local exchange carrier - Wikipedia
: Various regional independents also held incumbent monopolies
: in their respective regions.

to know many independent operators are incumbent operators.

I don't mean non-RBOC ILECs. I mean WISPs, regional fiber operators,

I'm afraid "non-RBOC" is a synonym of "independent".

Anyway, ILECs including both RBOCs and thousands of non-RBOC ones
should be the regional fiber operators, as I already wrote:

: Many ILECs enjoying regional monopoly should be 100+ years old:

: Independent telephone company - Wikipedia
: By 1903 while the Bell system had 1,278,000 subscribers on
: 1,514 main exchanges, the independents, excluding non-profit
: rural cooperatives, claimed about 2 million subscribers on
: 6,150 exchanges.[1]
: The size ranged from small mom and pop companies run by a
: husband and wife team, to large independent companies,

: many of which should now be PON operators still enjoying regional
: monopoly.

> Bob from down the street that retired and built a fiber company to
> serve his small town. I mean companies with less than 10,000
> customers and are younger than 20 years. There are literally
> thousands of them in the US and they're only getting more formidable
> in the face of lousy incumbents.

See above:

: The size ranged from small mom and pop companies run by a
: husband and wife team

Thousands of Bobs from down the street retired and built telephone
companies, now recognized as non-RBOC ILECs, to serve their small
towns 100+ years ago.

Newly coming Bobs can survive as regional fiber operators
only in regions not served by ILECs as PON providers.

            Masataka Ohta