spam whore, norcal-systems.net

Nanog is not a proper forum for spam discussion or spam announcements.

A bunch of us on all sides of the issue agreed on this. Use spam-l or one
of the other lists.

In response, I get my one shot: (thanks)

This kind of monitoring is probably a direct violation of 18 USC 2511, as
is a public announcement of the monitoring results. Indeed, at present, I'd
say it appears to be the best example of an unauthorized 3rd party
violation I've seen so far. (most [all previous] people don't admit
details, but we know some do it). Unless of course you have authorization
from norcal or all the recipients of those 2 million packets to monitor.
Since norcal isn't your customer, I don't suppose you have any paper
showing they gave you permission to collect and publish information about
their traffic.

Its too late to take back your post. Think first.

    --Dean

Interesting coroloary,

  Is it illegal for me to do flow-stats, as that examines packets
(in the same way one would filter), causing this data to be stored on
my flow stats server?

  - Jared

This kind of monitoring is probably a direct violation of 18 USC 2511, as
is a public announcement of the monitoring results. Indeed, at present, I'd
say it appears to be the best example of an unauthorized 3rd party
violation I've seen so far. (most [all previous] people don't admit
details, but we know some do it). Unless of course you have authorization
from norcal or all the recipients of those 2 million packets to monitor.
Since norcal isn't your customer, I don't suppose you have any paper
showing they gave you permission to collect and publish information about
their traffic.

What type of monitoring are you talking about? Or are you saying I cannot
filter packets through my network as I please?

  --Dean

TTFN,
patrick

I Am Not An Isp
www.ianai.net
ISPF, The Forum for ISPs by ISPs, <http://www.ispf.com>
"Think of it as evolution in action." - Niven & Pournelle

You havent been on nanog for very long, otherwise youd know that all
your networks and all your packets belong to Dean, our resident pro-spam
nut.

-Dan

What type of monitoring are you talking about? Or are you saying I cannot
filter packets through my network as I please?

You havent been on nanog for very long, otherwise youd know that all
your networks and all your packets belong to Dean, our resident pro-spam
nut.

ACCCKKKK.... Sorry all. Watching presentations, not the "From" address.
I'll stop responding while someone's talking. :stuck_out_tongue:

-Dan

TTFN,
patrick

I Am Not An Isp
www.ianai.net
ISPF, The Forum for ISPs by ISPs, <http://www.ispf.com>
"Think of it as evolution in action." - Niven & Pournelle

For those of you playing at home, this document can be found at:
  http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2511.html

This would appear to be covered in sec 18 USC 2511(2)(a)

Then again, I'm no lawyer, and I really don't have the brain capacity
to follow the threading of USC.

I'm sorry if this was a boo boo move on my part.

-r

Of course you can. Dean likes to argue that any looking at, smelling of,
blocking of, rerouting of, counting packets of, etc., data is wiretapping
(the topic of 18 USC 2511).

Microsoft Windows(tm): How much hair did you want to tear out today?

Dean Robb
PC-EASY computer services
(757) 495-EASY [3279]

(i) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter for an operator of a
switchboard, or an officer, employee, or agent of a provider of wire or
electronic communication service, whose facilities are used in the
transmission of a wire or electronic communication, to intercept, disclose,
or use that communication in the normal course of his employment while
engaged in any activity which is a necessary incident to the rendition of
his service or to the protection of the rights or property of the provider
of that service, except that a provider of wire communication service to
the public shall not utilize service observing or random monitoring except
for mechanical or service quality control checks.

It would seem to me that blocking UCE to clients who have signed off on our
policy of doing so would fall under the auspices of "normal course of his
employment while engaged in any activity which is a necessary incident to
the rendition of his service or to the protection of the rights or property
of the provider of that service".