Spam and "following the money"

Hi,

Whenever the topic of spam comes up, the suggest always arises that people
"follow the money" to track the spammers. Sometimes, it is true, that will
be useful, but it takes a rather naive approach to the spammer's business
model.

In many cases, spammers don't actually need to *deliver a product or service*
to the person they are spamvertising to make money from sending spam.

Some spammers make their money via banner advertising revenues: if they can
get you to visit one of their pages (even an "unsubscribe" page), they can
get "hits" for some advertising program and make money from you.

Or consider pump-and-dump stock tout spam... no direct product or service
needs to be delivered to a spammee for the spammer to make money, assuming
he can use spam to run the stock price up and the SEC doesn't jump on traders
with unusual purchase and sale patterns.

In some cases, the spammer's scheme is outright fraud: one of the reasons
that penis enlargement spam (or spam for Viagra or other "embarassing"-to-
purchase products) is so common is that spammers are counting on people
being too embarassed to admit that they (a) fell for a scam, and (b) that
they were dumb enough to send cash to some PO Box in Romania, and (c) that
they needed the particular product that was being spamvertised in the
first place.

Likewise spam for pay-per-view cable descramblers/theft of service devices
and other illegal/semi-illegal products: if your pay-per-view theft of service
cable descrambler provider fails to deliver a functioning theft-of-service
device for your use, who are you going to complain to, the police?

It is also worth noting that in many cases people are providing their name,
credit credit number, and expiration date to some random server hosted
somewhere in China, hmm, whaddya think, any possibility of fraud taking
place? I could make fifty bucks selling some fake human growth hormone, or
thousands charging stuff on a steady stream of live credit card numbers. If
I had to point at the most common way to make money from spam these days,
I'd bet on credit card fishing...

But even routine credit card fraud pails in comparison to the costs
associated with trying to regain your financial identity after it has been
completely co-opted following provision of complete financial details to
some "mortgage referral specialist..."

And then there are the pr0n "dialer" dudes, who offer "free" access to
their pr0n site, you "just" need to use their special software (which calls
a 900 number somewhere in the Caribean for $15.00/minute, and/or sends more
spam for them).

Lastly, there are plenty of spam service providers who make money from
selling email addresses, selling spam software, selling spam hosting services,
you name it... in fact, some of the largest American carriers are *perfectly*
willing to provide connectivity for spamvertised web sites so long as the
spam doesn't actually get sent from that connectivity (and with hundreds of
thousands of open proxies out there, well, there's no need for a spammer to
be that gauche!)

If you want to stop spam, take the time to see where spamvertised web sites
are being hosted, and who's providing transit for those hosts. I've been doing
this for a while now, and I can *definitely* see some pretty obvious patterns.

I guess those transpacific OC3s and OC12s for "strategic" customers
are just too lucrative to risk jeopardizing with trifles like enforcing
terms of service...

Regards,

Joe

Joe,

While I agree with all of your points individually, I would say that
only one of them doesn't work for 'following the money'. This one being
the pump-and-dump. Everything else involves a sale of some sort -

Secondly, I had stated that a two-pronged approach needs to be followed.
Not only following the money, but technical tracking as well - the
problem here being that some of the spammers seem to not stay in one
place long enough to be tracked.

Regards,
Lars

Joe makes some excellent points. I have started to use the Spamcop
service to help get abuse reported through the right channels. I suspect
that it doesn't actually shut many people down, but it does help
increase awareness of open proxies and other misbehaviors.
When medical spam comes in (offering a service that I may or may not
need - I leave those to your imaginations), I will often forward to the
State Attorney General under the following argument.
If I need the item being offered then the mechanism by which they have
notified me is not one that I have specifically opted in to as required
by HIPAA. If I don't need it then it is purely SPAM and contravenes
those laws.
I have only just started this approach, but I quite like it. My early
morning session with SpamCop provides quite cathartic!

Chris
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Subject: Spam and "following the money"

Hi,

Whenever the topic of spam comes up, the suggest always arises that

people

"follow the money" to track the spammers. Sometimes, it is true, that

will

be useful, but it takes a rather naive approach to the spammer's

business

model.

In many cases, spammers don't actually need to *deliver a product or
service*
to the person they are spamvertising to make money from sending spam.

Some spammers make their money via banner advertising revenues: if

they

can
get you to visit one of their pages (even an "unsubscribe" page), they

can

get "hits" for some advertising program and make money from you.

Or consider pump-and-dump stock tout spam... no direct product or

service

needs to be delivered to a spammee for the spammer to make money,

assuming

he can use spam to run the stock price up and the SEC doesn't jump on
traders
with unusual purchase and sale patterns.

In some cases, the spammer's scheme is outright fraud: one of the

reasons

that penis enlargement spam (or spam for Viagra or other

"embarassing"-to-

purchase products) is so common is that spammers are counting on

people

being too embarassed to admit that they (a) fell for a scam, and (b)

that

they were dumb enough to send cash to some PO Box in Romania, and (c)

that

they needed the particular product that was being spamvertised in the
first place.

Likewise spam for pay-per-view cable descramblers/theft of service

devices

and other illegal/semi-illegal products: if your pay-per-view theft of
service
cable descrambler provider fails to deliver a functioning

theft-of-service

device for your use, who are you going to complain to, the police?

It is also worth noting that in many cases people are providing their
name,
credit credit number, and expiration date to some random server hosted
somewhere in China, hmm, whaddya think, any possibility of fraud

taking

place? I could make fifty bucks selling some fake human growth

hormone, or

thousands charging stuff on a steady stream of live credit card

numbers.

If
I had to point at the most common way to make money from spam these

days,

I'd bet on credit card fishing...

But even routine credit card fraud pails in comparison to the costs
associated with trying to regain your financial identity after it has

been

completely co-opted following provision of complete financial details

to

some "mortgage referral specialist..."

And then there are the pr0n "dialer" dudes, who offer "free" access to
their pr0n site, you "just" need to use their special software (which
calls
a 900 number somewhere in the Caribean for $15.00/minute, and/or sends
more
spam for them).

Lastly, there are plenty of spam service providers who make money from
selling email addresses, selling spam software, selling spam hosting
services,
you name it... in fact, some of the largest American carriers are
*perfectly*
willing to provide connectivity for spamvertised web sites so long as

the

spam doesn't actually get sent from that connectivity (and with

hundreds

of
thousands of open proxies out there, well, there's no need for a

spammer

to
be that gauche!)

If you want to stop spam, take the time to see where spamvertised web
sites
are being hosted, and who's providing transit for those hosts. I've

been

doing
this for a while now, and I can *definitely* see some pretty obvious
patterns.

I guess those transpacific OC3s and OC12s for "strategic" customers
are just too lucrative to risk jeopardizing with trifles like

enforcing

Send those to "enforcement@sec.gov". They work quietly and in the
background, but they carry an impressive mallet.

I prefer to call it a cluestick but whatever floats your boat will work.
:slight_smile: I especially like option number 5 under "SECURITY THREATS" in man 8
syslogd.

Additional reporting addresses:

FDA webcomplaints@ora.fda.gov
Send all food and drug (pharmacueticals) complaints here. ie,
weight-loss products, sexual stimulants and enhancements, etc..

FTC uce@ftc.gov
Bounce *all* spam here. Period.

SEC enforcement@sec.gov
Send all stock scams here.

Pyramid/Ponzi scams fraud@uspis.gov, pyramid@ftc.gov
Send these jewels to these folks if they use the USPS.

Nigerian Money Scams/419 Scams 419.fed@usss.treas.gov
Send these to the US Secret Service. Also, if you're feeling bored and
want to give a 419 scammer the run around, respond to them with your
telephone number ((202) 406-5850) and fax number ((202) 406-5031). Tell
them how overjoyed you are to be helping them with their financial
problems. Take note that the numbers above are for the United States
Secret Service, Financial Crimes Division. :slight_smile:

It my understanding that some people send their 419 complaints to the
Nigerian Police at these addresses:

fpro@nigeriapolice.org, 419@nigeriapolice.org

It was my understanding that the many actual members of the Nigerian
government are involved in these scams so YMMV and of course I could be
wrong.

Justin