Shutdown of lists on May 30th at 12:01 AM

Paul can certainly speak for himself, but I think the issue that most
people (myself included) have is that these people refuse to work within
the IETF process. If they want to change things and follow the procedure
that everyone else has used for years then great, let them try and convince
people of the validity of their ideas.

Eugene Kashpureff has made a point to be at every IETF meeting since this
Jihad started over a year ago, plus other conferences applicable (such
as the Boston governence conference)

IETF has always held the position that this is a policy issue and IETF deals
with technology.

At IETF San Jose, my nuderstanding is they thought Eugene should move
forward with .alt in recognition of the work he had done, and take it from
there.

Along came IAHC and the shit hit the fan.

If, on the other hand, they refuse to work within the well established
system and go off into a corner and make grand declarations and try and
fracture the "rough consensus" model that has kept the net operating for
years, then they are indeed pirates. I would like to point out that going
through the IETF process does not mean your ideas will be accepted. More
ideas and plans are rejected than are accepted.

If IETF expects to have a role in this, they'd bett at least pretend to
be interested. It may be too late now what with governments, lawyers
and ad hoc organizations. If they were to moderate this mess and take
an active leadership rold, I can think of no better outcome. They
would need the willingness to do this and some (poeple) resources
to throw at it.

Ball in your court.

At IETF San Jose, my nuderstanding is they thought Eugene should move
forward with .alt in recognition of the work he had done, and take it from
there.

  I don't know what "they" you are referring to, but there has been
no IETF statement or direction concerning this matter. There certainly has
been no direction to Eugene to do a .alt or any other activity.

  As noted, the term "pirate" is rather precisely correct since it
refers to those who try to take over that which is not theirs. The DNS has
been a well-running service on the Internet "seas" for many years. It has
an established administrative authority and structure. That authority has
requested change and the IAHC was the agent of that request. The work by
the "other folks" is quite simply an attempt to replace the established
authority and structure with another one.

  Given the importance of DNS operational stability, the recent
demise of the latest pirate effort can only make one wonder at the idea of
allowing them to be in the critical path of such a critical resource.

Along came IAHC and the shit hit the fan.

  It hit the fan months earlier. The IAHC was created to try to turn
some of it into fertilizer and grow a workable path.

d/