Yep, which is why its odd. It would be much easier to hire one of the construction companies which lay fiber routes to prepare a nation-wide survey for them. Or hack their computer servers containing GIS maps.
Maybe diplomats get bored, and like yanking the FBI's chain for sport. They have diplomatic immunity, so the risk is very low.
I'll admit, I did visit the Geographic Center of the U.S. (lower 48-states) in Lebanon, Kansas. It was very nerdy, but something to check off the list. I only have 6 U.S. states left to visit for another item
to check off the list. Maybe Russian diplomats have a bucket list too?
'nro tap room' ... what's the expansion of NRO here?
Christopher asks: 'nro tap room' ... what's the expansion of NRO here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Reconnaissance_Office
American diplomats are doing also all sort of nasty stuff in Russia(and not only),
but that's a concern of the equivalent of FBI/NSA/etc, not operators
public discussion places, unless it really affect operators anyhow.
Just amazing, how NANOG slipped into pure politics.
American diplomats are doing also all sort of nasty stuff in
Russia(and not only),
Yes they have and for a very long time.
but that's a concern of the equivalent of FBI/NSA/etc, not operators
public discussion places, unless it really affect operators anyhow.
Just amazing, how NANOG slipped into pure politics.
The network(s) have been political for a very long time and will only
become more so as time passes. Remember, the engineers wishing for
the purity of technical discussion are usually the same ones crying
that, "information wants to be free."
Well, no matter. You want purely technical, okay, let's start with
authorised mail hosts.
You need to add 144.76.183.226/32 to the SPF record for visp.net.lb,
which is currently triggering softfails everywhere. It might be wise
to explicitly state whether or not it is just 144.76.183.226/32 in the
SPF record for nuclearcat.com given the deny all instruction for that
domain.
Regards,
Ben
The only real Russian Embassy in the US is in Washington where their
Ambassador is stationed, although arguably their UN Office in NYC has
the status of am Embassy. Embassies have to do with international
diplomacy. Their Seattle office is a consulate, which is what most
people deal with for passports, visas, import/export permits, and
similar personal/commercial stuff rather than diplomatic stuff.
Commonly the Embassy of a country is also a consulate or, as it is
sometimes described, has a consular affairs branch.
See http://www.russianembassy.org/page/russian-consulates-in-the-u-s
Thanks,
Donald
It will if the Ocean level change drastically.
Which with this week news cycle... might not be that far fetched =D>
American diplomats are doing also all sort of nasty stuff in
Russia(and not only),
Yes they have and for a very long time.
but that's a concern of the equivalent of FBI/NSA/etc, not operators
public discussion places, unless it really affect operators anyhow.
Just amazing, how NANOG slipped into pure politics.
The network(s) have been political for a very long time and will only
become more so as time passes. Remember, the engineers wishing for
the purity of technical discussion are usually the same ones crying
that, "information wants to be free."
6. Postings of political, philosophical, and legal nature are prohibited.
It is quite clear.
I do not deny networks sometimes are deeply affected by political factors,
but current discussion is pure FUD, based on very questionable MSM source.
IMHO any sane person wont like to receive this trash in his mailbox in list,
that supposed to be politics-free, as there is enough of this garbage in internet.
I do discuss such things too, when i have mood for that, but in designated places only.
Well, no matter. You want purely technical, okay, let's start with
authorised mail hosts.
You need to add 144.76.183.226/32 to the SPF record for visp.net.lb,
which is currently triggering softfails everywhere. It might be wise
to explicitly state whether or not it is just 144.76.183.226/32 in the
SPF record for nuclearcat.com given the deny all instruction for that
domain.
Thanks for the hint, fixed, i use this domain only for old maillist subscriptions,
so i missed that, after i migrated SMTP to my private server.
Raising the question - how well protected against sea level rise *is* the
average cable landing/termination station, given that most landing stations in
particular are probably fairly near the beach and not very high above sea
level? Are there any in particular that we need to worry if another Hurricane
Sandy or local equivalent wanders by?
Landing stations can be 10 to 30 kilometers from the beach manhole. I don't think it is big concern. Hibernia Atlantic dublin landing station is a good example.
So 100% of those beach manholes are watertight and safe from flooding, and
don't contain any gear that will get upset if it does in fact end up with
salt water in there?
This listing for landing points in Japan seems to call out a hell of a lot of
specific buildings that are nowhere near 10 to 30 km inland:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1Siy5qBMoFyBUlSFNHdHDpGAkIR0
Singapore: Right on the water.
http://www.streetdirectory.com/sg/singapore-cable-landing-station/1-changi-north-rise-498817/8118_79569.html
Hong Kong: More of same (though with its hills, some of the 8 sites may
actually be a bit above sea level even though they're 2 blocks from water)
http://www.ofca.gov.hk/en/industry_focus/telecommunications/facility_based/infrastructures/submarine_cables/index.html
Cryptome has a bunch of older images that tend to indicate that a lot of
buildings right on the water in New Jersey and Long Island are involved:
https://cryptome.org/eyeball/cable/cable-eyeball.htm
And that's just in the first 3 pages returned by Google for "cable landing station
map".
The experience of the Manhattan phone system when the conduits and basements
flooded during Sandy tends to indicate that we *are* in for similar
surprises over the coming decades.
I'm unsure why the NRO would have a room doing tap things in anyone's
network.
that is not their remit. Certianly we can FUD all day long about black
helicopters, but in this case the NRO is a red herring.
perhaps you meant NSA? and something akin to the ATT SF room-2<whatever>
thing?
-chris
> Landing stations can be 10 to 30 kilometers from the beach manhole. I
don't
> think it is big concern. Hibernia Atlantic dublin landing station is a
good
> example.
So 100% of those beach manholes are watertight and safe from flooding, and
don't contain any gear that will get upset if it does in fact end up with
salt water in there?
This listing for landing points in Japan seems to call out a hell of a lot
of
specific buildings that are nowhere near 10 to 30 km inland:
Cable Landing Stations - Google My Maps
Singapore: Right on the water.
http://www.streetdirectory.com/sg/singapore-cable-
landing-station/1-changi-north-rise-498817/8118_79569.html
Hong Kong: More of same (though with its hills, some of the 8 sites may
actually be a bit above sea level even though they're 2 blocks from water)
http://www.ofca.gov.hk/en/industry_focus/telecommunications/facility_
based/infrastructures/submarine_cables/index.html
Cryptome has a bunch of older images that tend to indicate that a lot of
buildings right on the water in New Jersey and Long Island are involved:
https://cryptome.org/eyeball/cable/cable-eyeball.htm
is this a case of 'wherer the cable gets dry' vs 'where the electronics
doing cable things lives' ?
aren't (normally) the dry equipment locations a bit inland and then have
last-mile services from the consortium members headed inland to their
respective network pops?
https://www.nanog.org/list
6. Postings of political, philosophical, and legal nature are prohibited.
It is quite clear.
That's a fair point.
The crypto dev world does have a tendency to veer into two of those
three (political and legal) with a little more regularity, usually by
necessity. So I do tend to weave in and out of those "off" topics
without getting too hung up on the creeping FUD in some quarters. At
times they'll even have practical requirements which need addressing;
which is why somewhere in one of my GPGME branches there's a completed
ITAR questionairre - definitely political, very legal and absolutely
required in order to continue the technical work at all.
I'd be surprised if there were not similar types of issues affecting
some aspects of various networks. Most likely pertaining to
international routes and even more likely subject to confidentiality
agreements of various types (not just everyone's favourite bugbear of
national security).
I do not deny networks sometimes are deeply affected by political
factors, but current discussion is pure FUD, based on very
questionable MSM source. IMHO any sane person wont like to receive
this trash in his mailbox in list, that supposed to be
politics-free, as there is enough of this garbage in internet.
And it's the role of NANOG to make sure all that FUD gets where the
conspiracists intended it to go. Isn't it great ... 
Thanks for the hint, fixed, i use this domain only for old maillist
subscriptions,
so i missed that, after i migrated SMTP to my private server.
I entirely understand, I've been tweaking mine a fair bit recently,
weighing up the local Postfix instance vs. not having as great a
control over the network as I'd like and ultimately deciding to run it
all through the MX. I noticed it because I was double-checking return
headers to be sure my own systems are doing, more or less, what
they're supposed to. Especially since the current MX is set the way
it is for technical, legal and political reasons (basically the mail
server is in a jurisdiction with *far* greater privacy protections
than my own country).
Regards,
Ben
It is no longer in the Westin, or if they've kept an office space it is not
the public facing consulate. The security desk at the lobby frequently has
to deal with confused Russian consular-service seeking people who don't
want to take "no" for an answer when they're told that the consulate has
moved.
new address: 600 University St #2510, Seattle, WA 98101
Well, I'd be willing to buy that logic, except the specific buildings called
out look pretty damned big for just drying off a cable. For example, this
is claimed to be the US landing point for TAT-14 - looks around 4K square feet?
http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/tuckerton-cable-landing-station/view/google/
Though I admit I'm foggy on how much gear is needed to stuff however many amps
at 4,000 volts down the cable core to power the repeaters. But again - if
there's gear stuffing that many amps at that many volts down a cable, salt
water could be the start of a bad day...
(And note - I'm not saying that *everybody* who built a cable landing station
managed to get it wrong. I'm saying that with the number of landing stations
in existence, the chance that *somebody* got it wrong is probably scarily high.
Telco and internet experiences in New Orleans during Katrina and NYC during
Sandy suggest there's a lot of infrastructure built with "we never had storm
surge in this building before so it can't happen" planning....)
The plan is to decommission TAT-14 in 2024. That is long before the next Biblical Flood due the ice caps melting. The Trans-Atlantic systems have a life span at best of 30 years. When the next set of systems is built rising waters will be taken into account.
I think you are missing the point. The issue is not the actual landing
station but the actual *exact *path the cable takes from 100meter out at
sea to the landing station. For that you need GPS coordinates down to a
3' level as the fiber snakes its way from shore into the city. I do
not believe that is available on the Internet and is only available to
the actual company that laid the cable. One can try to deduce the path
by looking for manhole covers but that would require opening and
physically inspecting.
-Hank
[...]
Well, I'd be willing to buy that logic, except the specific buildings called
out look pretty damned big for just drying off a cable. For example, this
is claimed to be the US landing point for TAT-14 - looks around 4K square feet?
I think you might be off by an order of magnitude or two
on that. 4,000 sq ft is about the size of the guest bathroom
in Snowhorn's new house, isn't it?
(well, OK, maybe a slight exaggeration... 
Matt
Bude is in Cornwall, a county of England. It's not in Wales.