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Peter Lothberg writes:

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The RA is broken, just relabeling work of Ripe and mess it upp is
not very usefull for the Global Internet. Ripe-81 (that most of this
is based on) was supposed to be a start of a toolkit for ISP's, not a
tol for someone who think they are the network Police.


We've had this discussion many times, and will probably never agree.

The RA adopted the RIPE database work since it seemed reasonable to
express global information in a standard fashion. Credit is given to
RIPE and the PRIDE project whenever there is talk of the IRR, RIPE
NCC Database, the RADB, etc.

The RA team has announced many tools based on the database and the routes
known to the route servers:

1) IRRWeb - graphical interface to query the IRR and to update the RADB

2) Route History Server - provides a mechanism for tracking the announce/
   withdraw history of a given prefix for the last 24 hours

3) Route Flap Statistics Generator - provides mechanism for calculating the
   level of routing instability at all of the four NAPs

4) Route Server Routing Table Statistics Generator - reports on the size an
   content of the Internet routing tables as seen by the Route Servers at
   each Network Access Point

5) Peval - policy evaluator that inputs RIPE-181 policy expression, performs
   certain calculations, and outputs expressions that can be used by other
   tools, like RTConfig

6) RTConfig - front-end tool that uses Peval and RADBserver to generate router

7) RADBserver - extension of the RIPE whoisd server which provides a protocol
   for getting information from RIPE-style database files

8) RSd - an enhanced version of GateD routing software that provides multiple
   views of routing information

9) rrc2r/rrmerge - a package to convert Cisco router configuration files to
   RIPE-181 objects that can be submitted to a RIPE-style database

10) CiscoBGP - analyzes routing information from production Ciscos and compares
    the data with routes in the IRR

11) BGPCheck - compares information from BGP4 peering sessions with the route serves
    with data in the IRR

12) PRtraceroute - developed by the PRIDE project, the RA team provides a version
    that queries the RADB

In addition if you look at the RA web pages, you will find descriptions of other
tools which are under development. The RA is committed to working with the
community to develop tools that are seen as beneficial.

       --Elise (does NOT rhyme with police)

On december 14 Elise gerich wrote to the above recipients:

Some of the information in the RADB is "historical." It was carried over
from the PRDB for purposes of the transition from the NSFNET Backbone
Service to the current US Internet Architecture. The RA team has been
working with CA*net and ANS to reduce duplicate route objects
which are artifacts of the transition. Several months ago, approximately
3000 routes were deleted from the RADB because CA*net worked with us to
identify which routes were now being maintained in the CA*net DataBase.
Approximately, 1000 route objects have been deleted as a result of
a request from ANS more recently.

Approximately 20% of the route objects that existed at the time of
the transition have been removed.

COOK: So when you say 20% of the routes have been removed, how does one
judge what remains that is defunct and still remains to be removed??? Of
the 80% does anyone have a clue as to whether 95% of the 80% are "good" or
whether the real total of good routes might be on 50% of the 80%??

Now Elise has questioned the propriety of using NANOG for questions about
the routing arbiter. Fine. But as far as I can tell no one is running a
routing arbiter mail list. Without such a list the only choice is to
take things to one on one private mail with bill manning and/or elise.

Perhaps Merit would be willing to establish such a list? If Merit
declines, would someone else do it?