I am very pleased to see the recent decrease in off-topic postings. I
was having great difficulty blocking mail.
Husan R. Sarris, Ph.D. (Pig-headed Dictator)
Nerit Metwork
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I am very pleased to see the recent decrease in off-topic postings. I
was having great difficulty blocking mail.
What were the difficulties? Just curious...
Husan R. Sarris, Ph.D. (Pig-headed Dictator)
Nerit Metwork
As funny as I found the spoof posts to be, sometimes you have to be a
pig-headed dictator to maintain sanity. Just promise not to act like
JC Dill, get full of yourself, and go around kicking 7-year posters off of
the list for being "rude".
Andy
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This is what I get for coming in in the middle of the night to help
replace our generator's transfer switch.
Whoever is sending the spoofed posts, kudos, you certainly made an ass out
of me 
I guess I was too excited to complain about JC...(who, to make a
long story short, booted me from the inet-access list for being "rude".)
And here I thought Susan was being self-deprecating with the Ph.D.
comment. Very subtle...
Andy
You know, there is a fine line between funny and stupid. Parody emails are
funny when done occasionally, but not every other post. This is why the
joke RFC's only come out once a year, on April 1st.
I realize you are trying to beat the useless, idiotic, and off-topic
posters into submission, but do you really think its helping? Just look at
the list for your results. All it does is make them think that useless and
off-topic posts like this one are allowed and commonplace here.
Lets all try to grow up just a tiny bit more, maybe get back to discussing
networking instead of acting like a middle school playground?
P.S. I like "Player Hater Degree" better.
I find section 4 of Hushmail's AUP appropriate to this discussion.
"You agree not to transmit, or allow others to use your address to
transmit, through HushMail, any objectionable material including, but
not limited to, unlawful or harassing, libelous, abusive, threatening,
harmful, vulgar or obscene material that encourages conduct that could
constitute a criminal offence, give rise to civil liability or otherwise
violate items discussed in #2 above."
I'm sure it would be a trivial matter for merit to recover the full
headers of the original and forward to abuse@hushmail.com for action
against whomever is (quite poorly) impersonating Ms. Harris.
Just my 2�.
Best regards,
Hushmail's domains are registered to some offshore company, though they
get connectivity from NetNation in Calgary, AB. They don't seem to
respond to abuse reports. NetNation at least responds, but won't give any
contact info out for real people at HushMail.
It would seem in this case the only action that is sure to work is to make
a John Doe claim in a Canadian court, then file a subpoena against
NetNation for Canadian business address of HushMail, and then subpoena
HushMail's records.
In Susan's case she's a short drive from Windsor, Ontario, and the court
filings could be done in small claims court so the fees wouldn't exceed a
couple hundred dollars.
Since Hushmail offers free accounts the original offender can just sign up
again under another anonymous ID and start the process all over. It would
seem the offender has mocked not only myself and Susan, but the process
for keeping unwanted posters off the list. At some point in the future it
may become necessary to block whole domains from having posting
privileges.
-Ralph
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:01:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ralph Doncaster
Since Hushmail offers free accounts the original offender can
just sign up again under another anonymous ID and start the
process all over. It would seem the offender has mocked not
only myself and Susan, but the process for keeping unwanted
...and Phil Rosenthal, Randy Bush, and whoever "Sal Sabella" is a
spoof of.
Ralph, I've been publically mocked, called "one of the most
dangerous criminals on the Internet", accused of "inciting others
to break laws", and other cheery things. Those are direct ad
hominem attacks, and quite possibly libel or defamation. IANAL,
though, and I don't pretend to be.
posters off the list. At some point in the future it may
become necessary to block whole domains from having posting
privileges.
It almost seems like that might be a/the goal. For all we know,
someone could be spoofing {him|her}self in an attempt to cry
"victim" and have Hushmail blocked. I have no problem with
Hushmail being disallowed (part of list AUP is to have real name
present), but others indicated fear of employers catching them
posting. *shrug* It's not my mailing list.
Perhaps new subscribers from "suspicious" domains could be
moderated for, say, the first 10-20 posts. That would help cut
down on the trash without being a huge administrative hassle. Or
maybe being a harsh dictator and cutting down OT threads will
help deal with things from a social slant.
The on-topic discussion over the weekend was nice while it
lasted...
Maybe the novelty will wear off before everyone on NANOG is
spoofed. Maybe we can have some actual operational discussions
again. Or, failing that, a quiet NANOG-L is not a bad thing.
Eddy
Yes, the spoofs may occasionally get out of hand. However, there may be a
reason why - namely the unfortunate increase in clueless or
uninformed postings.
Personally, I would much rather have a good laugh from reading such a
parody, then read about some crazy scheme or unresearched query.
I would strongly object to banning any entire domain from this mailing
list. Additionally, the practice of banning folks for "off-topic" posting
seems rather unevenly applied - spam is, by definition, off-topic to
NANOG, and yet long threads discuss it.
Perhaps we should all look to our own houses, before we criticize others.
- Daniel Golding