RE: State Super-DMCA Too True

Yes but this is specific to the argument on whether an ISP
should be accountable for what people do with its bandwidth
and what I think is ultimately going to happen is that these
laws are going to be put in place and as part of enforcing
these there will be some arrests.

Now beyond that I don't know, but I am sure that being a
co-conspirator to any number of illegal acts by facilitating
them through what is set as the standard of "operational
negligence", i.e. that what is generally expected of you, is
still prosecutable. And when the first round of Network
Admin's go to jail for being complicit in these frauds, the
tunes regarding "hey you cant do this to us" will all vanish
as your individual lawyers tell you to shut-up before
contempt citations cost you more jail time.

I wish this was different or that the general class of
Admin's wasn't willing to fight this out - but after a few
people wind up in jail, the general tune will change - I
assure you.

My one embedded comment in caps below "TSG -->"

Todd Glassey

Thus spake "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>

Yes but this is specific to the argument on whether an ISP
should be accountable for what people do with its bandwidth
and what I think is ultimately going to happen is that these
laws are going to be put in place and as part of enforcing
these there will be some arrests.

If you ship pot via FedEx, does the delivery guy go to jail too? No.
If you make obscene phone calls, does the operator go to jail too? No.

Common carrier status exists for this very reason. Unfortunately, it
probably means we'll have to stop filtering things like spam and DoS, since
filtering on content inherently violates common carrier protection -- see
the smut suit against AOL a few years ago.

S

Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

Stephen - my responses in caps -

As reading your message both hurts my eyes and would take excessive effort
to reformat for a reply, I won't do so.

However, I do question the credibility of anyone who cites Cheech and Chong
to back up his position.

S

Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

And yet, if FedEx notices a package is ticking, they have the right to
reject it without being held responsable for ones they don't catch.

From: "Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org>
Common carrier status exists for this very reason. Unfortunately, it
probably means we'll have to stop filtering things like spam and DoS,

since

filtering on content inherently violates common carrier protection -- see
the smut suit against AOL a few years ago.

Allow me to continue to pummel the poor horse --

What about the customer that requests that the telco block calls from
certain numbers? I don't think that affects common carrier status, but
IANAL.

apl