RE: Lazy network operators

From: [] On
Behalf Of Stephen J. Wilcox
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:02 AM
To: Michel Py
Cc: John Curran;
Subject: RE: Lazy network operators


Not being happy with the ISP's smarthost is not justification
to run your own;
you should change ISPs.. assuming we implement this locked


That's a super idea. Now explain how that works when you have access to
only a single broadband provider. If you already thought of this
scenario, you're seriously underestimating the number of people in this

Reverting to 56k dialup to solve a mail relay problem on your only
choice for 3MB/512k service doesn't exactly sound reasonable.

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In my example I suggested that there would be tiers of service, for an extra fee
they would give you a service where you could run your smarthost.

As already mentioned there are other ways to send mail than port 25 which is an
alternative to you.

My original point still stands tho, if your SP isnt delivering complain, if
they're unable to deliver email then you wont be the only one with problems.


Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:

My original point still stands tho, if your SP isnt delivering complain, if they're unable to deliver email then you wont be the only one with problems.

Changing providers when problems arise is a viable option when;
- Available services are more uniform
- Email addresses are generally portable
- Switching your local access provider happens in less than a business day or two

And as has been previously stated, most people don�t have multiple options for local provider unless they want to dial up.



its the same, if its part of the service and its not working complain or switch


I don't know how they do it in the UK, but in many North American places,
the random large corporation providing high-speed residential/small-biz
services don't WANT to offer tiered services. Oh, sure, they have a few
tiers that differ on speed (and sometimes monthly bandwidth restrictions),
but that's it, and that's all they want to do. These providers like
providing the same thing to everybody (for example, if you get X POP3
accounts with your service, and you need X+1, they will NOT sell you an
extra POP3 for $2/month or whatever), because it reduces cost, and they do
NOT give a damn about the technologically-skilled user who wants to run
their own small-scale $PROTOCOL server, etc. It's not a matter of "give us
$Y and we'll do/let you do it", it's a "you can't do that. End of story."
from their outsourced tech support guy.

The "go elsewhere" argument against big impersonal ISPs that aren't able to
match your needs isn't workable for many people, as was pointed out. For
some people, the best solution is to buy IP connectivity from the big ISP,
avoid using any of their other services (yes, I have fetchmail download mail
not), and do your own thing. If you advocate restricting this IP
connectivity further, then you're screwing such people over, and possibly
creating a big market for people on Mr. Vixie's list of colo providers...