RE: Google to offer fiber to end users

* David Hubbard:

> Residential computers with enough bandwidth to DoS
> hosting providers; that should be fun.

How is this different from a typical dorm network?
(Perhaps with all that P2P filtering software in place,
it's a mere self-DoS nowadays, but the analogy was not
that far off five years ago or so, with less bandwidth,
of course.)

Three colleges I've worked at were pretty progressive
in their monitoring, rate limiting and proactive
management of dorm networks; i.e. full bandwidth to
campus, i2, etc. destinations but maybe not to other
remote locations, automated responses to bad behavior
characteristics, etc. I'm far less worried about
someone in a dorm launching a full gig of http requests
against one IP than a residential computer doing that
for 36 hours before someone from Google takes note.
If they manage the broadband abuse they way they do
gmail forum spammers, I don't have high hopes.

David

I am doing some research....is there a way to find out where there is dark fiber and who own's it?

James Jones wrote:

I am doing some research....is there a way to find out where there is
dark fiber and who own's it?

In California I have had the best success with environmental impact
reports from he public utility commission office.

Your request is pretty vague :slight_smile:

What geographic area? What type (sea? land?) etc etc.

There are a few companies who sell this data as well. After 9/11 it got
really hard, but judicious use of search engines will find most stuff.

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Charles N Wyble
Linux Systems Engineer
charles@knownelement.com
http://www.knownelement.com

You may be better off asking nznog if it's local to you (or your email).

- Jared

I am doing some research....is there a way to find out where there is dark fiber and who own's it?

You may be better off asking nznog if it's local to you (or your email).

- Jared

It is no longer local to me. Other wise I would have asked them :slight_smile:

FCC filings are rich with this type information.
http://www.fcc.gov

Can I have question?

What is dark fiber?

Thank you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_fibre

GOOGLE: Dark fiber is optical fiber infrastructure (cabling and repeaters) that is currently in place but is not being used. Optical fiber conveys information in the form of light pulses so the "dark" means no light pulses are being sent. For example, some electric utilities have installed optical fiber cable where they already have power lines installed in the expectation that they can lease the infrastructure to telephone or cable TV companies or use it to interconnect their own offices. To the extent that these installations are unused, they are described as dark.

That is better than the link I was going to reference - reason I was going
there was the recent announcement of the Google fiber to the community beta
test. Are we seeing the beginnings of another move? Android phone OS, Google
voice, Nexus One with the ability to make all calls voip...

I heard Google made some major concessions [charging tax on internet
purchases of the Nexus One] and is still being blocked on the "cannot be a
phone company" end. Maybe if you can show you own a certain amount of
infrastructure you automatically qualify as a phone company? I have no idea,
I just see lots of little pieces coming together right now...

--steve