You know what, go and fuck yourself you little whore..
Please don't hesitate to contact us if you have any more questions.
Best Regards,
Shazad
eServers - driving the "e" into your business.
My apologies, There was no need for him to go around calling me a "dumb
f***".
I apologies, I didn't realise I had posted his message onto the nanog
mailing list..
Sorry.
Regards,
Shazad
Marketroids using public mailing lists for sales leads should learn list etiquette and reply etiquette first.
HTH HAND
jx
If the shoe fits...
-alex
If the shoe fits...
Is it just me, or could nanog really benefit from being moderated, or at
least nanog-post being access controlled? God knows why I've kept skimming
it even after the majority of actual clueful network operators have long
since unsubscribed, but even this is beginning to stretch the limits of my
love for a good Jerry Springer fight.
Or should we all just start chanting:
Susan!
Susan!
Susan!
?
Joel,
If you think this was a sales lead, then you are wrong.
I admit, I have not really used mailing list before and accidentally CC
nanog on the first correspondence, but for him to email me back calling
"xxxx xxx" (you already know) was not on.
I replied back to his email and DID NOT CC NANOG. So how it got onto the
NANOG list is beyond me or a SERIOUS BUG.
I have verified by checking the email headers that it was not sent to NANOG.
On that note, like I said before I apologise to all those that have had to
read it..
Regards,
Shazad
Don't mean to get off-topic... but speaking the Extremes..
Has anyone here had luck with doing some BGP stuff with Sumit 48i?
Thanks,
-hc
Is it just me, or could nanog really benefit from being moderated, or at
least nanog-post being access controlled? God knows why I've kept skimming
it even after the majority of actual clueful network operators have long
Are you volunteering to be the moderator? Moderation is alot of work,
and/or would slow the list down to a crawl.
Perhaps limiting who can post would be somewhat useful though. Perhaps
only people actually operating "real networks", where "real networks" are
somehow defined by their size or their participation in BGP.
From here, shazad@eservers.biz looks like a relatively small colo
customer. What's he looking at big switches for? More importantly, does
anyone care?
As long as I'm ranting, what about all the recent "could someone with clue
from Network X please contact me privately?" posts? If I was that person
at Network X, I'd want to know what your issue was before I bothered
contacting you (very few of these posts have included any problem
description)...both so that I could look at the problem (if there was one)
before contacting you, so that I could have the appropriate person contact
you (if I'm not it), and so I could not waste the time if you're trying to
contact me about an issue (or non-issue) you have no business wasting my
time with.
network:Class-Name:network
network:ID:332.209.51.128.0/19
network:Auth-Area:209.51.128.0/19
network:Network-Name:eservers-00037-01
network:IP-Network:209.51.159.224/29
network:Organization;I:eServers dot biz
network:Tech-Contact;I:engineering@gnax.net
network:Admin-Contact;I:664.dv2.net
network:Created:20020906
network:Updated:20020906
network:Updated-By:engineering@gnax.net
I agree with you, Bouncing private messages onto the forum with a purpose of
making "me" look bad is really SAD.
I did it accidentally BUT quoted him, he literally bounced my message as If
I had sent it to NANOG.
Check your headers and you will find out, I never sent that message to
NANOG.
Maybe you guys should stop jumping to the gun (I have received like 130
private messages now), and read the headers to see I didn't send that
message to NANOG.
All I can do is apologies for not being in the wrong.
Peace out..
Best Regards,
Shazad
eServers - driving the "e" into your business.
Don't mean to get off-topic... but speaking the Extremes..
Has anyone here had luck with doing some BGP stuff with Sumit 48i?
Not beyond lab setups, but yes, they speak BGP. We are about to
move KTHNOC to a new datacenter shortly, at which we will speak BGP
to the world using an Extreme switch.
Yes. The only thing I miss in their implementation is the equivalent of
"neighbor <ip> default-originate".
From here, shazad@eservers.biz looks like a relatively small colo
customer.
Yes we are relatively small, we colocate around 1500 servers in our own
suite.
What's he looking at big switches for?
Quite frankly I can look for what I want, we are expanding into Europe and
came here for some advice.. Do we have any problems here?
More importantly, does anyone care?
Does anybody care? Dammm GOOOD JOB that you are a small minority in this
world.
If you are so smart, GO and CHECK the HEADERS of that POST. Was it me? NO IT
WASENT.
You are too smart for yourself.
I am out of this... My last reply.
Best Regards,
Shazad
I'd strongly recommend keeping away from "BGP" Extremes "speak".
Especially if you want to it to work. We've seen a lot of problems, like
failures to advertise default routes, getting MP-BGP to work at all, etc.
I think the MP-BGP has been unsolved for, what, at least a year now.
Just don't use extremes as routers, and you will be much, much happier. It
_might_ work in the dumbest, unicast-only setups, but I have a lot of
doubts about anything more complex than that.
We made the mistake of one Extreme here as a router, and that has paid us
back with sweat and tears. We'll be switching it to a Juniper freeing up
soon, and we'll be dancing with joy afterwards.
If you are so smart, GO and CHECK the HEADERS of that POST. Was it me? NO IT
WASENT.
No offense, but:
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I think you're being too pessimistic. For instance, some of the largest
LAN parties had Extreme boxen as core equipment (Dreamhack for instance,
4500 computers) and their ISP (where I work) had Extreme routers for a
larger part of its national core/distribution network.
We run BGP as well. It works for what we need it for. We use network
statements and talk BGP with customers.
With EW7.1.0 they solved most of our issues, we're now going ISIS as well.
As with all equipment, try everything you want to do and see if it does it
well. If you're doing a large network buildout you might save a LOT of
money buy bying intermediate stuff (like Extreme) instead of coing the
hard-core way (Juniper/GSR).
Yes, GSRs are better at routing but they lack L2 capability and it's a
very expensive (and lousy unless you have Engine3 cards) GE plattform.
BTW:
There are Foundry and Extreme related mailing lists
in the same location as a few other vendor lists.
http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/foundry-nsp
http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/extreme-nsp
http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo for all puck
lists, including other router/switch vendors.
enjoy,
- jared
Yes, GSRs are better at routing but they lack L2 capability and it's a
very expensive (and lousy unless you have Engine3 cards) GE plattform.
On the other hand, 6500s can do both L2 and L3 rather well, including
BGP.
Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On
Behalf Of Matthew S. Hallacy
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> If you are so smart, GO and CHECK the HEADERS of that POST.
Was it me?
> NO IT WASENT.No offense, but:
[Snip]
Looks like the exact same path to me.
You got the wrong post, I think...
Here are the headers I'm seeing:
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