RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited

I would suggest that they would not be RBLed as

  1] this is a list that can be easily (I assume) opted out of.

no. there is no way to opt out of it.

Not so. You can use another registry. .COM, .NET, and .ORG may be the most
popular, but they are not the only ones. When you refuse to do business
with NSI, they don't send you email. They don't get lists and send email
to random people. If you don't agree to let NSI send you email, they won't
do business with you. Everyone agreed to those terms. Can't come back and
change them later, because you don't like it.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with most of the mail I've gotten
from them. Some of it a bit technically insulting, but that doesn't make
it totally unreasonable from an email ethics point of view. It certainly
doesn't qualify as spam, since it is in fact solicited. You paid $100+ for
the privilege.

Technically, they aren't broadcasting either. They are sending email to
their customers. Not potential future customers. Existing customers. They
didn't buy this list from somewhere. They asked for, and required customers
to give this information, and to give them permission to send email.

You seem to be in a conflict with your own rules, since you have said that
you don't RBL companies that are using their own internal lists. As I
thought, you aren't operating from some kind of moral or ethical principal,
you are just bullying others. I just don't like that, whether you happen
to be right or not.

  2] They are sending to folks that use the service.

yes. which is: everybody who has a domain in COM, NET, or ORG.

Ahh, it has finally come to a confrontation with someone who quite possibly
speaks more authoritatively for everyone in those domains than you do.
This will be interesting, to say the least.

I wonder if RBLing NetSol is cause for them to put vix.com on hold. That
would be a hoot. I suppose they actually could call you in breach of
contract for refusing to receive email, refund your money, and cancel your
domains.

    --Dean

>> I would suggest that they would not be RBLed as
>>
>> 1] this is a list that can be easily (I assume) opted out of.
>
>no. there is no way to opt out of it.

Not so. You can use another registry. .COM, .NET, and .ORG may be the most
popular, but they are not the only ones.

Absolutely true.

HOWEVER, I think you'd probably agree that the *demand* is for COM/NET/ORG
domains, for which there is unfortunately still only one source.

You, as an ISP, generally won't choose a domain for a client's web site;
the customer will.

When you refuse to do business
with NSI, they don't send you email. They don't get lists and send email
to random people.

As far as I know this is also true (thank goodness for small miracles :wink:

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with most of the mail I've gotten
from them. Some of it a bit technically insulting, but that doesn't make
it totally unreasonable from an email ethics point of view. It certainly
doesn't qualify as spam, since it is in fact solicited. You paid $100+ for
the privilege.

See, that's the problem, there is a difference of opinion as to what
constitutes spam. Some people consider solicitations for additional business
to be spam even if there is an existing business relationship (as would be
the case with NetSol).

<tongue-in-cheek>
I always am happy to come up with additional reasons to hate NetSol
</tongue-in-cheek>

but I'm not sure this is one of them.

Still, it would be nice to be able to say "I only want to be contacted
on technical matters." Microsoft now allows you to opt-out of phone calls,
snailmail AND e-mail when you register (or re-register, if needed) at the
Microsoft Developer Network website. I had to do it myself a few times after
I deleted their cookie accidentally. That's the best solution to this
situation.

Here comes a shocking statement: I agree with Dean. NetSol should not be
RBL'd. In a previous e-mail to this list I recommended that Paul apply the
same standards for RBL candidacy to NetSol that he would apply to anyone
else. And now, upon reading this message from Dean, I must agree that NetSol
does not meet the necessary requirements.

Now, they DO sell their customer list. Having registered spamfree.org, I
later received a snail-mailing from New England Business Forms addressed
to the Forum for Responsible & Ethical Email (the registrant of the domain)
at my PO box (the address registered on the domain).

I don't know whether or not they sell their customer list to junk
e-mailers.

Dean stop beeing a boob - it's spam - it's not hey glad your a customer
hope all is well it's hey use us to register new domains - it's being
generated to compete against other avenues of registration - lets call it
what it is - if you like it great - give it a hug and kiss and give it a
rest - the majority I would assume aren't real thrilled about it - and the
whole speil about fake email addresses cuz folk don't want to give out
theirs - is bullshit - the correct answer is "then you don't get a domain"
drive through please.