I don't think that some kind of knee jerk reaction like blocking all
addresses that have ever been associated with alternic is in order.
Certainly Kashpureff has gone off the deep end, but am I the only one here
who thinks that he is essentially fighting the good fight? I'm sick of
paying the internic every year just for the privilege of participating in
their name service. The centralized nature of the system is a real drag,
and I'm hoping that some genius out there is working on the next generation
that will allow anyone to associate their ip address with anything they
want. I believe that the capitalist aspect of what the internic is doing;
taking money for an essential service and trying to make a profit, is PURE
EVIL and goes against everything that I belive "the net" should be. So
although I don't particularly like they way that Kashpureff is staging his
rebellion, I do believe in his cause.
-mat
I'm sick of paying the NIC to, and in reality I think Kashpureff's hack is
pretty elegant. However, I disagree that capitalism is /pure evil/. Once
upon a time the net was driven by research and academia, but that day has
passed. The net as it stands now is in poor shape, and a with the latest
intense round of backhoe attacks and DNS problems the enormous amount of
capital invested in the internet will have to be protected. This is when
those capitalist companies will finally start to hash out technologies
that make the internet more redundandt. The problem and, I
believe, the solution lies with the root name servers. Until people
accept and use more than the current InterNIC root server we won't be able
to announce any more domain name strategies.
Aaron Abelard / aaron@abelard.com / http://www.abelard.com/
"Nunc Lento Sunito Dicunt, Moreris" (Donne)
"Lasciate tutto speranza, voiche entrate" (Dante)
"kinda like a cloud i was up way up in the sky" (NIN)
"Once more unto the breech, dear friend" (Shakespeare)
taking money for an essential service and trying to make a profit, is
PURE EVIL and goes against everything that I belive "the net" should be.
Sure! Money, of course, is the root of all evil. I'm sure the Soviets
could'a / would'a had a great, state run name service. You could get your
domain registered while you wait in line for bread and toilet paper. Too
bad that system failed!
NSI does a good job at what they do, and 50 bucks a year really isn't
much to whine about.
Grow up Mr. Mathias. Profit is the only reason you have a job, food in
your grocery store, and an Internet to complain about.
Sure, but if we went back to the "old way" where it was free to register a
name, you'd have every AOLer getting bob34145.com and such..
I think most of us on this list are capitalists. The whole
NSI/InterNIC situation is extremely weird. The real question is
whence comes their authority. Particularly after their contract runs
out. I don't think they should have been forced to operate at a loss,
sans government funding. But the fees they chose are rather
arbitrary, and 98 million dollars is a lot of money to operate a
database.
Now _that's_ not right at all. I think the excuse of charging a fee for
something to discourage its use is ridiculous. Where exactly are these
AOLers going to get primary and secondary name service? Web servers?
Mail forwarders?
Can we please dispense with the discussion of domain name
services on the NANOG list? I would personally prefer that
this discussion be taken elsewhere.
Thanks,
- paul
With the latest free email, web pages, etc (juno, hotmail, geocities), it
wouldn't take too long for someone to come up with free DNS, MXing, etc..
How would _you_ discourage registration? By not explaining it very well?
That hasn't kept the idiots away from unix, Perl, etc...
I _wouldn't_ discourage registration. That's the point.
Sure. Can you or anyone else suggest a better list to take this
discussion to? I can set one up if need be.
Aaron Abelard / aaron@abelard.com / http://www.abelard.com/
"Nunc Lento Sunito Dicunt, Moreris" (Donne)
"Lasciate tutto speranza, voiche entrate" (Dante)
"kinda like a cloud i was up way up in the sky" (NIN)
"Once more unto the breech, dear friend" (Shakespeare)
So exactly _how_ would you keep millions of people from registering domain
names? Even if it _weren't_ free (I'll argue that another time), you'd
still have tons of people (I'll generalize, and assume they're high school
students that couldn't afford the $100) that would be signing up for domain
registration because they're going though a cheap ISP.
Gee, the horror. Affordable Internet services.
You call the long-known and well-publisized attack against servers not
running current versions of essential system software elegant?
People, the net is not falling apart because Kashpureff knows how to fake a
glue record; people who don't keep up with the security of their systems
are (of course) having their security compromised.
This is not an operational issue; this is a sysadmin-being-lazy issue.
Please take it off NANOG.
Stephen
I'm sick of paying the NIC to, and in reality I think Kashpureff's hack is
pretty elegant.
However, I disagree that capitalism is /pure evil/. Once
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Yahoo. Our state granted monopoly on name service is so much better
than anyone else's because of the wonders of _capitalism_. You tell 'im
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