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> To power the IPv6 networks of refridgerators, ovens, and light

switches,

> as well as your 3G video conferencing phone

None of these applications have any requirement for peering every 100km2.
I'd expect my refrigerator, oven, light switches, etc. to be behind my
house's firewall and only talk using link-local addresses anyways.

Do you know how much traffic the high resolution MPEG4 video/audio stream
from an oven uses!? Why on earth would a network operator want to haul
that kind of traffic hundreds of kilometers when 99.5 % of it is going to
a 3G mobile phone in the same city. Remember that this video stream from
the oven is going to be carry far more data than the phone can handle so
that the mobile phone operator can provide a zoom-in application that
allows the customer to zoom in on a hotspot on the surface of the turkey
to better evaluate whether to switch the oven from roast to broil.

Oh, BTW, ask someone at Cisco to explain to you how firewalls work. Their
purpose is security, not reduction in PPS or bps.

People in general will communicate a lot more with other people who live
nearby no matter what the communications medium. Therefore it is likely
that as the Internet becomes a commonplace everyday tool for commonplace
everyday communications, the vast majority of the traffic will be
relatively local. And while there may be some technical gurus who believe
in the purity of running a few mega peering points, over the long haul,
the customers of networks will reject this kind of centralized system in
the same way that they are rejecting every other form of centralized
control.

--Michael Dillon

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Thus spake <Michael.Dillon@radianz.com>

>None of these applications have any requirement for peering every 100km2.
>I'd expect my refrigerator, oven, light switches, etc. to be behind my
>house's firewall and only talk using link-local addresses anyways.

Do you know how much traffic the high resolution MPEG4 video/audio stream
from an oven uses!? Why on earth would a network operator want to haul
that kind of traffic hundreds of kilometers when 99.5 % of it is going to
a 3G mobile phone in the same city.

If there is an economic reason to peer locally, the carriers will do it;
however, there is no technical reason to do so: bandwidth is cheap and 20ms
RTT is irrelevant to any proposed application in this thread.

As pointed out previously, it is currently cheaper to carry that MPEG-4
video to a remote exchange and back than it is to equip and support 96,400
exchange points in the US plus another 99,820 in Canada -- that's one for
every 100km2.

Oh, BTW, ask someone at Cisco to explain to you how firewalls work.
Their purpose is security, not reduction in PPS or bps.

Please tell me that was a troll...

People in general will communicate a lot more with other people who
live nearby no matter what the communications medium. Therefore
it is likely that as the Internet becomes a commonplace everyday tool
for commonplace everyday communications, the vast majority of the
traffic will be relatively local.

Agreed; I think that one exchange per LATA (roughly) is a reasonable goal.
But that's a far cry from one exchange per 3000 people in the US, or one
per 311 people in Canada. Think about those numbers for a minute.

And while there may be some technical gurus who believe
in the purity of running a few mega peering points, over the long haul,
the customers of networks will reject this kind of centralized system in
the same way that they are rejecting every other form of centralized
control.

Nobody is arguing purity; I think it's more "pure" to have a zillion
exchanges, perhaps one in every person's house! However, there are issues,
both technical and economic, which limit the number of exchanges that are
feasible. Today, that number is a few dozen, not a few hundred thousand.

S

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Do you know how much traffic the high resolution MPEG4 video/audio stream
from an oven uses!?

I do believe MPEG4 supports delta compression between frames. If there's
enough delta between frames that you have any significant traffic, it's
probably an indicator of movement such as flames, and therefor sending it
to the 3G phone will be pointless, as said 3G phone had better be in use
to call the local fire brigade.

I also submit for consideration the observation that "high resolution"
is probably not needed - in general, if you can tell where on the dough-colored
to black-colored progression the biscuits are, the resolution is high enough.

allows the customer to zoom in on a hotspot on the surface of the turkey
to better evaluate whether to switch the oven from roast to broil.

This would probably only require small changes to the already-existing Toaster
MIB. I would however suggest an offsite backup turkey in case your oven isn't
patched against CERT CA-2002-03.

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But, 3G phones do concurrent data AND voice don't they? You could
describe the flames you're seeing!

Jason