Gadi Evron, Randy Vaughn and myself have initiated an "outages" mailing
list.
The primary goal of this mailing list ("outages") is to report major
outages similar to what FCC provided prior to 9/11 days but they seem to
have pulled back due to terrorism concerns. Some also believe that LEC's
and IXC's also like this model as they no longer have to air their dirty
laundry. Then again, this mailing list is not about making anyone look
bad, its all about information sharing and keeping network operators &
end users abreast on the situation as close to real-time information as
possible in order to assess and respond to major outage such as routing
voice/data via different carriers which may directly or indirectly
impact us and our customers.
The purpose of this list is to have a central place to lookup and report
so that end users & network operators know why their services (e-mail,
phones, etc) went down eliminating the need to open tons of trouble
tickets during a major event. One master ticket - such as fiber cut
affect xxx OC48's would suffice. We hope this would empower users and
network operators to post such events so that everyone could benefit
from it.
In a brief poll, I've gotten some good feedback from nanog community and
there are some who are also willing to assist with this cause. You know
who you are
Currently the mailing list is not vetted nor moderated as we would like
everyone to benefit from such reports unless you strongly feel that we
should vett, which we are willing to listen and discuss.
We like to encourage people to participate and help with the process and
yes, we need your support!
Not sure how this can be balanced against DHS (department of homeland
security) perceived needs. We look forward to your feedback and suggestions.
Don't forget to CC all the traffic to NANOG list. Major outages have
always been an important part of NANOG list traffic going back to the
days when we were network techs, and are one main reason that I'm a
subscriber here. I have no intention of joining "yet another list"
for the same information.
Please don't do that. We don't need more pontification from Gadi. This new separate list sounds like a great idea, if only because it will distract him from NANOG-L. I don't post much but I read NANOG-L for the operational content, and the off-topic posts generated by Gadi and his supporters/detractors significantly reduce the SNR. I've been sending him private emails asking him to stop polluting NANOG-L for some time, but those emails have had no effect, nor have the numerous public requests posted to the list by others. Hoping that another list will entice him away seems to be our only hope, and forwarding that list here would defeat the purpose.
Please don't do that. We don't need more pontification from Gadi. This new separate list sounds like a great idea, if only because it will distract him from NANOG-L. I don't post much but I read NANOG-L for the operational content, and the off-topic posts generated by Gadi and his supporters/detractors significantly reduce the SNR. I've been sending him private emails asking him to stop polluting NANOG-L for some time, but those emails have had no effect, nor have the numerous public requests posted to the list by others. Hoping that another list will entice him away seems to be our only hope, and forwarding that list here would defeat the purpose.
Gadi's tactics in a nutshell:
1) develop a long-term habit of posting off-topic stuff to nanog
2) get called on it repeatedly
3) challenge what's supposed to be "on-topic" for the mailing list anyway
4) start a new mailing list in an attempt to take real content away from nanog
5) ???
6) profit!
1) develop a long-term habit of posting off-topic stuff to nanog
2) get called on it repeatedly
OK, for the purposes of this discussion, we'll postulate that in fact,
the posting was indeed off-topic...
3) challenge what's supposed to be "on-topic" for the mailing list anyway
4) start a new mailing list in an attempt to take real content away from nanog
But if he takes the supposedly off-topic stuff away, what "real" content
is he taking away? You can't have it both ways. If it's sufficiently
"real" that you're concerned about it being taken to a different list,
you shouldn't have labelled it off-topic earlier.
Presumably, if you find you can't reach the outages list because their
listserv has had an outage, you just come up on NANOG like before?
Please, let's not do this one again. I can't imagine what this profits anyone. Let this be the last post, resist the temptation to put in your two cents worth, and just let it be.
Please don't do that. We don't need more pontification from Gadi. This
new separate list sounds like a great idea, if only because it will
distract him from NANOG-L. I don't post much but I read NANOG-L for
the operational content, and the off-topic posts generated by Gadi and
his supporters/detractors significantly reduce the SNR. I've been
sending him private emails asking him to stop polluting NANOG-L for
some time, but those emails have had no effect, nor have the numerous
public requests posted to the list by others. Hoping that another list
will entice him away seems to be our only hope, and forwarding that
list here would defeat the purpose.
Gadi's tactics in a nutshell:
1) develop a long-term habit of posting off-topic stuff to nanog
2) get called on it repeatedly
3) challenge what's supposed to be "on-topic" for the mailing list anyway
4) start a new mailing list in an attempt to take real content away from
nanog
5) ???
6) profit!
Don't fall for it, people.
-- Niels.
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I apologize if I wasn't clear in my original e-mail. The outages mailing
list is being run by me (virendra rode) with the only motive to help the
network operator community. Gadi & Randy were nice enough to offer help
w/ bandwidth and hosting this mailing list.
I would really appreciate if folks can show some professionalism & keep
their personal (non-operational) attacks off list. You are not being
productive nor helping with the process. Email me directly and I will
assist in resolving your questions and concerns.
As far as the outages mailing list goes, this list will remain general
Internet backbone style outage-centric mailing list and I welcome
constructive criticism.
Ideally (if I have better luck) I would like to get providers to direct
outage notices to this list. All that really matters is that we have a
central pace where network operators (nanog, sanog, isp-routing,
cisco-nsp, etc) can post notice (backbone-types) of problems so that
people are aware of them and can offer an informed answer.
