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And besides, if it weren't for US governement interference, ARIN
would already be up and running, and the members could find solutions
for this problem. But regardless, the allocation group does not
controll the policies of the individual companies, and therefore,
if you insist on causing grief for the rest of us, your best bet
to to file Anti-trust actions against carriers, like Sprint, Digex,
and others that are filtering. (hint, good luck, you will need it.)

If ISPs were to push their local federal congress people, and get
ARIN going, and join ARIN, perhaps this issue could be solved.
Besides if 192/8 was given out in /21's etc, large companies would
filter those addresses based on prefix length also. (Assuming
enough were recycled.) In the world of competative access there
are real costs assumed by those that want to interconnect,
in the eletric world, there is a substantial cost of equipment.
In the CLEC/CAP world there are filings, build out requirements, etc
that are highly non-trivial. In the IP world there is the cost of
renumbering until you can justify enough space.

Larry, if you want to discusse this issue at more length, I would
be happy to move it off-line to email or the TISPA list. Nanog
is not interested in rehashing this issue again, anymore than
the discussion of the sale of intergers.

I have no intent of causing anyone grief, but rather wish to learn from the
NANOG members (save any dogmas) and compete on a level playing field.

Our only legal actions have been defensive in nature. Number 1 was against
telcos red-lining PRI service to rural Texas. Number 2 regarded an email
privacy/ECPA issue raised by the Texas Attorney General through the use of
an improperly issued subpoena. We had good luck in both, thank you [8-))

The input of those from NANOG is very valuable, IMHO. I'm looking for the
thoughts of NANOG members, not to convince them of anything. Please excuse
my thoughts that the NANOG members may have more experience with these
issues and that we and other small ISPs can benefit from NANOG input.

In fact, the real question we posed at NANOG 10 is:

What can be done to properly operate a network with diversity and
redundancy without the use of scarce resources, presuming the downside of
them not being granted?


Larry Vaden, founder and CEO help-desk 903-813-4500
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