The RIPE NCC gives out /32s to ISPs, but they actually reserve a /29. This means they have to get a new /23 for every 64 ISPs that request v6 space. I imagine this gets old fast after a while.
What I don't get is that they made it 16 /23s rather than one /19. (And staying on 4 bit boundaries would also seem like a slightly more obvious choice.)
but is ripe really using ip6 20 times more then rest of the world?
Not 20 times obviously... But the ARIN region does very little v6, while in Europe there are many more small ISPs than in Asia, which leads to a larger number of assignments/allocations.
Also FYI - I noticed this message was actually signed (PGP) and I believe
that may be first iana announcement message that was, thank you !!!
P.S. Of course its also notable that it says "Version: PGP 8.0 - not
licensed for commercial use". I kind of wonder if use by IANA or ICANN
is considered commercial or not... But I guess if organization is dedicated
to being non-commercial that might be OK, but is ICANN really like that?
(Note: don't answer that last part, this "question" is on topic for
completely different forum...)
The RIPE NCC gives out /32s to ISPs, but they actually reserve a /29.
This means they have to get a new /23 for every 64 ISPs that request v6
space. I imagine this gets old fast after a while.
I imagine so, but the question is are they growing so fast with new ip6
allocations. As I understand there are about 3500 LIRs/members at RIPE.
Given that each /23 is enough for 64 members and they have just received
16 of these, that would make it enough space for 1024 ISPs/LIRs/members.
Since IANA assigns ip blocks based on RIR need for next year that makes it
appear that RIPE is expecting that 1/3 of its LIRs would request and start
using IP6 within next year. I personally question these expectations given
current still slow growth of ip6.
What I don't get is that they made it 16 /23s rather than one /19. (And
staying on 4 bit boundaries would also seem like a slightly more
obvious choice.)
IANA seems to continue same practice with IPv6 as it does with IPv4.
If you remember just this month RIPE got 85/8, 86/8, 87/8, 88/8 from IANA.
Since these are 4 /8s were we expecting to see this as /6 and be on correct
boundary? Well - not really as its now how IANA is doing allocations.
Unlike RIRs that actually do give out /16, /19, /20, /21, etc, IANA does it
always in quantities of its smallest RIR allocation unit, which is /8
for IPv4 and /23 for IPv6, it does seem that they try to keep allocations
to same RIR in consequence allowing in the future to consider it to be one
larger ip space block (/4 if RIPE gets all space from 80/8 to 95/8 and
that appears to be quite likely possibility for the future).
> but is ripe really using ip6 20 times more then rest of the world?
Not 20 times obviously... But the ARIN region does very little v6,
while in Europe there are many more small ISPs than in Asia, which
leads to a larger number of assignments/allocations.
My understanding is that they have made twice as many ip6 allocations as
rest of the world combined! That is very impressive indeed!!!
But its still not enough reason for them to have received more then 10
times ip6 space from IANA as rest of the RIRs combined...
Exactly my point!!! We don't want IANA to be repeating now same thing
as was done early in the internet with assignments of legacy /8 and /16s.
P.S. For IPv4 I've been working on additional graphical statistics info
that lists general amount of space assigned to ISPs/organizations on per
country basis and separates it all based on assignments done in what I
consider to be 3 main IR assignment periods (legacy iana direct - up to
around 1993/1994, early-IR - up to 1997/1998 and modern RIRs after that).
Additionally there would be two sepratepages, one that includes IANA /8
direct assignments (which I must say completely changes the picture)
and one that does not include that. If I have time I might actually finish
this over the weekend.
Also FYI - I noticed this message was actually signed (PGP) and I believe
that may be first iana announcement message that was, thank you !!!
Certainly not the first, but I agree with the community feedback we've
received that PGP signing these messages is useful, although I also
agree with Pekka that its usefulness needs to be taken in context.
P.S. Of course its also notable that it says "Version: PGP 8.0 - not
licensed for commercial use".
Why is that notable?
I kind of wonder if use by IANA or ICANN is considered commercial or
not... But I guess if organization is dedicated to being
non-commercial that might be OK, but is ICANN really like that?
ICANN is organized as a not for profit corporation.
As for the question of the size of the allocation, it's not appropriate
for IANA to comment on how RIPE plans to use the block, but I will say
that they justified their request appropriately. The allocation was done
in /23 chunks because that's what the current allocation model is. The
RIRs, IANA, and the IAB are currently in discussion about what a more
rational IPv6 allocation policy should look like, given that we're
moving out of the "experimental" phase of deployment.
Last but not least, the question of why we allocate IPv4 in /8 chunks is
answered by the new global IPv4 allocation policy, agreed to by IANA and
passed in the policy forum stage by all 4 RIRs. You can find a copy at http://www.ripe.net/ripe/draft-documents/iana-rir-allocation-policies.html.
It will move out of "draft" status once it's fully ratified by the ICANN
ASO, but IANA has agreed to use the policy now as a sign of good faith
in our dealings with the RIRs.
Hope this helps,
Doug
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Doug Barton
General Manager, Internet Assigned Numbers Authority
for lazy people:
At the moment of writing a total of 731 TLA's*:
RIPE: 332 allocated, 200 (60.24%) announced, 1 returned
APNIC: 150 allocated, 99 (66.00%) announced
ARIN: 90 allocated, 39 (43.33%) announced
LACNIC: 14 allocated, 2 (14.29%) announced
6BONE: 144 allocated, 107 (74.31%) announced, 19 returned
Notez bien that the US does have 26 6bone allocations that are going
away per 6/6/6. Of the 105 allocations, including the 6bone's, only 55
are visible in the global routing table. Germany has 41 visible entries
by itself. Even the Netherlands already has 27 visible allocations.
* = Top Level Allocations, thus from RIR to LIR, normal allocations are
also given from LIR's to sub-LIR's.
Might I add that I am wondering why the US is sticking so far behind?
I heared that for instance Abilene does IPv6, but do they have any
users? Having never seen any traffic stats, except for iperfs generated
ones, nor any other visible usage is quite ehmm lazy I guess, so come on
wake up!
