Hi, considering the fact that several organisations have been severely undermining net-neutrality over the past few months, which they seem to see as less important than their copyright bullshit, we have decided to set an example:
Should the following networks, to which list more will be added over the coming month, desire to exchange traffic with AS34109, they can obtain a traffic relay contract at sales@cb3rob.net, the costs of which amount to 10000 euros per month, excl. 19% VAT, if not, well, then it's simply no more internets for them... sorry peeps.
193.108.8.0/21#GEMA-NET
195.109.249.64/29#SONYMUSIC
195.143.92.160/27#SBMG1-NETS
212.123.224.240/29#Net-WEGENER-MEDIA-BV
212.123.227.64/29#BumaStemra2
212.136.193.216/29#BUMA
212.78.179.240/28#BUMA-STEMRA
213.208.242.160/29#NL-COLT-BUMA-STEMRA
217.148.80.112/28#NL-NXS-CUST-1004613
85.236.46.0/24#IX-UNIVERSAL-NET
Hi, considering the fact that several organisations have been severely
undermining net-neutrality over the past few months,
What is your definition of violating net-neutrality?
Is it
(a) carriers ransoming content providers so that only then will the
content providers receive fair, equal and unfettered access to the
carriers' customers?
or
(b) applying QoS to customer traffic if necessary because TCP was
designed to suck up all the bandwidth available (to try to achieve 100%
return on investment in the network capex), based on an original
assumption that there'd be short bursts of TCP traffic, and now some
applications, particular P2P ones, which use TCP, now create constant
rather than bursty load on the network, resulting in congestion and
impacting latency sensitive applications such as VoIP and gaming?
If you announce anything worth reaching in that AS of yours .. MAYBE,
JUST MAYBE they'd care rather than yawn
84.22.96.0/19 has, for instance - 84.22.96.254 cock-is.huge.nl
If sony music etc want to engage in a size war with you, that's
entirely up to them.
Meanwhile, please leave nanog out of this. It is your toy AS with
what looks like little or no production traffic on it, and you're free
to play with it as you like.
--srs
it is:
c) RIAA/MPAA members trying to make ISPs liable for what customers do in order to somehow fork the isp into kicking out the customer, as they refuse to simply go to court against the customer but rather prefer to harrass their ISP or their isp's isp..
Well guess what, we don't really feel like giving them something for free (their traffic being relayed over our infrastructure) if they act hostile,
if they can't get the piratebay ITSELF to shut down, we can only conclude the piratebay has the RIGHT to internet just as much as they do, actually more, as the piratebay paid us, and they don't.
(so let's change the payment structure a bit and make these people pay us too 
see also the various piratebay cases, as well as the fact that universal music germany gmbh can't be fucked to pay for their own court fees if they need a court order to get us to give out an address (the poor fuckers, whatever happened to mtv-cribs
next up on the list: disney, paramount pictures, sony music entertainment, sony pictures entertainment, most of vivendi/universal group, viacom..
all of these organisations have well established themselves on the list of organisations not worthy to have their traffic relayed for free.
hmm funny, it had the piratebay on it, the 3rd most visted .org domain in the world, as well as number 7 or so on the list of most visted websites in the entire world, until a few months ago.
not to mention several of our other clients
i'd suggest you do your homework properly next time 
the MAFIAA surely did
no, that doesnt matter as much as just how much traffic you actually
exchange with those asns
just for your info, this is just the first step, we can make it severely more nasty for them :P.
btw, considering that you appearantly run a larger network than the 3 networks we own and operate, willing to sell?
Hi!
btw, considering that you appearantly run a larger network than the 3 networks we own and operate, willing to sell?
That would be rarther funny Sven, you buying IBM. Sweet dreams.
Bye,
Raymond.
Not that I am speaking for anybody but myself here. I'll killfile
this thread now
if you think that is a good sales point... do you actually have any
legitimate customers?
william
did you stop taking your medication today?
net-neutrality has nothing to do with following the law. if you do not
like the copyright enforcement law in the netherlands, then change the
law in the netherlands.
nanog is not your soapbox, and I for one, am tired of hearing about how
you host thepiratebay (which is, for the last few years at least, a
pretty shitty torrent tracker anyway).
so please, for the love of $deity, stop posting your crap to this list.
by the way, you're still invited to provide a list of legitimate (e.g.
not warez) customers you have. i'm pretty sure that you do not have any
though.
william
Other clients eh? Something tells your transit would be completely
useless on days where new microsoft/adobe/protools/games gets released.
Just saying.
c
Hi, considering the fact that several organisations have been severely
undermining net-neutrality over the past few months, which they seem to see
as less important than their copyright bullshit, we have decided to set an
example:
Should the following networks, to which list more will be added over the
coming month, desire to exchange traffic with AS34109, they can obtain a
traffic relay contract at sales@cb3rob.net, the costs of which amount to 10000
euros per month, excl. 19% VAT, if not, well, then it's simply no more internets
for them... sorry peeps.
Just so I understand correctly, you're implementing what is tantamount to a 'violation of net neutrality' in order to punish these organizations for attempting to protect their intellectual property?
You seem to value the neutral natural state of the internet at large. If you're upset by the way these businesses have conducted themselves, find a response which doesn't violate your own ethics. Otherwise, you look like a hypocrite throwing a tantrum.
Best Regards,
Nathan Eisenberg
This is kind of like one person saying they're not going to listen to a
radio station anymore.
From: Sven Olaf Kamphuis [mailto:sven@cb3rob.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:53 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Cc: aktive@lists.piratenpartei.de; algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl
Subject: net-neutrality
Hi, considering the fact that several organisations have been severely
undermining net-neutrality over the past few months, which they seem
to
see as less important than their copyright bullshit, we have decided
to
set an example:
Should the following networks, to which list more will be added over
the
coming month, desire to exchange traffic with AS34109, they can obtain
a
traffic relay contract at sales@cb3rob.net, the costs of which amount
to 10000 euros per month, excl. 19% VAT, if not, well, then it's
simply
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anything you want, at Alice's restaurant.". And walk out. You know, if one
person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and they won't
take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony, they may think
they're both faggots and they won't take either of them. And three people do
it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in singin a bar of Alice's
Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an organization. And can you,
can you imagine fifty people a day,I said fifty people a day walking in singin
a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. And friends they may thinks it's
a movement."
Of course, that *does* require finding 49 other like-minded people.
This is kind of like one person saying they're not going to listen to a
radio station anymore.
"And the only reason I'm singing you this song now is cause you may know
somebody in a similar situation, or you may be in a similar situation, and if
your in a situation like that there's only one thing you can do and that's walk
into the shrink wherever you are ,just walk in say "Shrink, You can get
anything you want, at Alice's restaurant.". And walk out. You know, if one
person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and they won't
take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony, they may think
they're both faggots and they won't take either of them. And three people do
it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in singin a bar of Alice's
Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an organization. And can you,
can you imagine fifty people a day,I said fifty people a day walking in singin
a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. And friends they may thinks it's
a movement."
Of course, that *does* require finding 49 other like-minded people.
You may find these variations even more apt for this discussion:
http://www.arlo.net/resources/lyrics/alices-nntp.shtml
I went over to the Commissar, said "Commissar, you got a lotta damn
gall to ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean, I mean, I'm just
sittin' here, sittin' on the group H bench 'cause you want to know if
I'm *moral* enough to join a Company to grep mail, burn electronic books,
and censor feeds after bein' an NNTP hacker." He looked at me, said
"Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send your .newsrc down
to California..."
And friends, somewhere in California, enshrined in some little directory,
is a study in ones and zeroes of my .newsrc. And the only reason I'm
singin' you this song is 'cause you may know somebody in a similar
situation, or *YOU* may be in a similar situation, and if you're in a
situation like that, there's only one thing you can do and that's post
a message to your company's internal newsgroup, saying "Commissar, you
can get anything you want on Alice's NNTP server."
And log off.
You know, if one person, just one person does it, they may think he's
really sick and won't fire him just yet, just send him down to a Training
Session until his brains are jellied up. And if two people, two people
do it, in harmony, they may think they're starting a cascade and will only
fire one of 'em to establish a precedent and put the fear-o-God in the rest
of their workers. And three people, three, can you imagine, three people
logging on, posting a message containing a bar of Alice's NNTP Server and
walking out, they may think it's an organization. And can you imagine
fifty people a day, I said fifty people a day logging on, postin' a bar
of "Alice's NNTP Server" and logging off. And friends, they may think
it's a movement.
And that's what it is, the Alice's NNTP Server Anti-Censorship Movement,
and all you got to do to join is quote it the next time it comes around
on the screen.
With feelin'.
http://www.arlo.net/resources/lyrics/alice_flame.shtml