NANOG Security Track: Route Security

Hello Everyone,

I wanted to attract your attention to the Security Track this coming NANOG. We’ll be meeting on Tuesday morning and the line up looks like this:

  • Andre Toonk - examples of hijacks, other ideas
  • Alexander Azimov - State of BGP Security
  • David Wishnick - ARIN TAL
  • Job Snijders - Routing security roadmap
  • Chris Morrow - So I need to start filtering routes from peers…’ and ‘hey guess who needs to update their IRR data?’

Time permitting at the end of the time slot we’ll have a panel and time for duscussion as well.



Any online link available for remote participation or viewing ?


To ensure unimpeded information sharing and discussion, the Security Track will not be broadcast or recorded.

I apologise for the inconvenience.


Just like how all the email threads on NANOG are archived, all talks should be archived as well.

Ryan Hamel

To ensure unimpeded information sharing and discussion, the
Security Track will not be broadcast or recorded.

I fail to understand how making the presentations secret from all
except those attending in person promotes information sharing.
Could whoever made this seemingly contradictory decision explain
the reasoning behind it?
  - Brian

Agreed, especially if they’re an active member of the organization and doesn’t seem to be synonymous with NANOGs Charter.


Hi all,

Speaking as presenter in this track, I’d be fine with video recording and online distribution. In fact, I’d encourage it, I don’t assume any secrecy or confidentiality in this meeting.

Perhaps for the NANOG74 meeting it is too late to organize video recording, but going forward I’m a proponent of recording everything. It creates more value for both the presenters and the global community.

Kind regards,


we could post our slides though, right? (I mean, per presenter, if that’s your choice?)


I just wanted to mention that NANOG is being read all over the world - as far as I know this is the biggest english speaking “NOG” mailing list… in the world. Most of the readers here will never attend a NANOG meeting and a big part of those won’t attend because they live on other parts of the planet.

The topics seem very interesting and highly relevant for networks everywhere and I find it very unfortunate that there will be no recording.

Best Regards from Europe


Whether to record a session or not is up to the presenter and track

The security track, originally called the ISP Security BoF started by
Barry Greene and Merike Kaeo was in part an outgrowth of the
nsp-security community. The nsp-security was a closed, vetted
community. In those days, they were not recorded mainly so participants
could feel reasonably comfortable sharing amongst each other by having
the discussions limited to those there in person.

For many years later it was more or less a given that the security
track wasn't recorded. However, that position has weakened slightly
and I take some of the blame for that. The last two security tracks I
led (67/68) were recorded and I think there was at least one before that
I asked be recorded, but it ended up not being captured because the
meeting coordinators thought I made a mistake. :slight_smile:

I had taken an informal poll before the first time about this. There
were about three people as I recall who preferred them not to be
recorded, suggesting they would not go on mic and participate if they

Maybe during the session another show of hands should be taken to see
who wants them recorded or not in the future.


I would prefer if NANOG would record sessions by default! (And allow
presenters to opt-out if they really feel like it.)

Other conferences I have had participated to in the past. Had the
option of allowing opt-out of being recorded on stage.

This is in fact how it works now at NANOG. As John points out, the
decision is left up to the submitter, but almost all talks are webcast
and recorded. (Historically, the security track has not been

Anyone is welcome to submit talks, including tracks, for
consideration, and to make this choice as submitter. In this case,
the track moderator believes that it's better that the the talk to not
be recorded and so we are honoring that request.

Aside from the security track and one other submission, the remainder
of the 3-day program will be available for viewing and recorded.


Ryan Woolley

Ryan, what does the track moderator have to do with the presenter? All I here is an excuse to do a disservice to fellow members of this community.

Do you really want to have future meetings with everyone holding out their phones, cameras, or other recording devices, to spread the wealth of knowledge? That's crazy.

Ryan Hamel

Perhaps the moderator and the presenters for this track can figure out (off list!) if there is unanimous support to record the session and reconsider.

Kind regards,