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I stand corrected. And I apologize to the list.

This morning I posted a 'heads-up' about an AOL problem. My rationale
for doing so was that the information was important to my operations
group, because AOL represents 10 million end users who spend a portion
of their online life connecting to websites that we host. And our
customers measure our performance based on the number of hits per
minute/hour/day that they are getting. When this rate changes
uncharacteristically, the web customer immediately assumes that it is
our network that is failing, and calls our operations group to complain,
or inquire. Knowing that AOL is experiencing a problem (which would not
show up in any of our peer monitors) helps our ops guys to avoid a wild
goose chase.

I assumed this was the case for most ISPs.

I received a number of (thankfully) private flames, asking me why I
thought anyone on the list cared. Obviously I thought many of you would.
I was wrong. So I went to look at the NANOG charter (based on the crud
that shows up on NANOG, one could be forgiven for being confused). I
thought that the charter covered operational issues. It doesn't.

Specifically, from the NANOG web site:

"The NANOG mailing list is established to provide a forum for the
exchange of technical information and the discussion of specific
implementation issues that require cooperation among network service
providers. <snip>."

It covers implementation and co-operation issues.

Sorry to create improper noise.

Is anyone aware of a good newsgroup that does cover mundane issues like
fiber cuts, DNS and root server failures, NAP problems, Route leaks,
backbone poisoning, etc? Or is NANOG a good place for this, depending on
who is doing the posting? In which case, where should the clueless
unwashed like me go?

Thanks...

Rodney Joffe
Chief Technology Officer
Genuity Inc., a Bechtel company
http://www.genuity.net

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Is anyone aware of a good newsgroup that does cover mundane issues like
fiber cuts, DNS and root server failures, NAP problems, Route leaks,
backbone poisoning, etc? Or is NANOG a good place for this, depending on
who is doing the posting? In which case, where should the clueless
unwashed like me go?

Thanks...

Rodney Joffe
Chief Technology Officer
Genuity Inc., a Bechtel company
http://www.genuity.net

Well folks, I'm sorry to annoy you, but the NODList is up
for YOUR enjoyment ... I don't get anything from it other
than the sheer joy of knowing that I'm providing us all
with a forum to handle discussion JUST like this.

If this announcement begins to waiver on the verge of
annoying-ness, let me know, I'll stop posting it. But
it seems to me, that people are getting a little tired
of trying to figure out WHERE to discuss issues that *ARE*
relevant.

If you're already subscribed, then post your queries
on the NODlist...it can't hurt.

So...

Given the recent rash of postings which do not appear
congruent with the charter of the NANOG List, have created
an additional resource for those of us who are
concerned with the technical issues pertaining to the
design, operation, and management of Enterprise Networks.
This list primarily caters to Internet Service, Backbone,
and Carrier Providers.

Enter, the NODlist -- The Network Operators Discussion List.

If you are interested in discussions such as the "Ascend GRF
vs. Cisco" and "Key Escrow" threads, subscribe to the list
and knock yourself out in exchanging relevant and useful
information! There is a definite need for a forum whose
participants are (without sounding haughty) at the level
of the food chain where relevant experience prevails. I want
to be able to discuss CEF and Fair-Weighted-Queuing
without being told that I have to shuffle off to a USENET
group and wade through 650 posts of people trying to determine
how to perform reverse Telnet rather than RTFM.

Route Aggregation. Tag Switching. Impact of Network Doom on
NAP performance :wink: -- It's all good!

If you're the type that needs a 'charter,' here it is:

  Be Good Humans. Post Relevant Stuff.

To subscribe, you can use a Web Browser and point it here:

http://icarus.nodewarrior.net:1918/guest/RemoteListSummary/Nodlist

OR, you could always use the old stand-by...send mail to:

  NODlist-request@nodewarrior.net

with the word 'subscribe' (no quotes) as the only text in the
body of the message.

I hope this helps off-load NANOG and provide a good forum for
people to exchange information.

The Hoffster.

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Though I appreciate the sarcasm in your letter, this may actually be of
interest:

There is an "outage" mailing list, outage@dal.net that may be more what
you have in mind.

(directly from the "welcome" message)