Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 03:28:25 +0900
From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>>> plonk
> ... goes your custom
> Marketing by annoyance, smoke, and mirrors? Gotta love the strategydo not buy from spammers
I might also mention that I received private SPAM from a name we all
know and loath. (Hint: He's been banned from NANOG for VERY good
reason and his name is of French derivation.) I just added a filter to
block any mail mentioning pica8 and will see no more of this thread or
their spam.
Hi,
I don't know what the big deal is. I've rolled at least 20 of these
switches into my network, and not only are they more stable than the
Centillion switches that they replaced, they only cost half as much.
Most of the money I dropped was on converting my stations from token
ring to ethernet.
Hi Paul,
I don't know what the big deal is. I've rolled at least 20 of these
switches into my network, and not only are they more stable than the
Centillion switches that they replaced, they only cost half as much.
Most of the money I dropped was on converting my stations from token
ring to ethernet.
All of the people that responded to this thread are not complaining
about the hardware.
They are complaining about Guillaume's spam strategy.
Other than that are you comparing apples to apples when you compare
Nortel ATM switches (with EOL somewhere in 2004) with new ethernet
hardware?
Bas
Nortel Centillion... had a cold chill run up my spine just thinking
back about it... shadows of Synoptics... and Bay... sheesh... 
Is this a commemorative Scary Halloween Ghost story?
Watch y'er language folks
Jeff
Hi Paul,
I don't know what the big deal is. I've rolled at least 20 of these
switches into my network, and not only are they more stable than the
Centillion switches that they replaced, they only cost half as much.
Most of the money I dropped was on converting my stations from token
ring to ethernet.All of the people that responded to this thread are not complaining
about the hardware.
They are complaining about Guillaume's spam strategy.Other than that are you comparing apples to apples when you compare
Nortel ATM switches (with EOL somewhere in 2004) with new ethernet
hardware?
DJ Paul Wall only recently upgraded from FDDI...
Other than that are you comparing apples to apples when you compare
Nortel ATM switches (with EOL somewhere in 2004) with new ethernet
hardware?
arista rulz tos
off topic…
you recently converted from token ring to ethernet? i had no idea there was still token ring networks out there, or am i living in a bubble?
-g
Sadly, you're living in a bubble. As long as there are banks and very large commercial institutions, there will be legacy installations. Including t/r. And OS/2. And windows NT 3.51. And FDDI and X.25 and every single legacy protocol, type of hardware and ancient operating system that ever existed.
Why do you think the Cisco 7500 only went EoS 3 years ago?
Nick
Halloween is over, why do you have to keep saying scary things like that.. (even if it is true, unfortunately)
-Richard
Are there still any commercial X.25 nets in operation? I had some peripheral involvement with Tymnet in the MCI/Concert conversion, and hear it shut down sometime in 2003-4.
--Chris
Are there still any commercial X.25 nets in operation? I had some peripheral involvement with Tymnet in the MCI/Concert conversion, and hear it shut down sometime in 2003-4.
also: yep.
commercial x.25 based packet radio networks, and the wired parts to keep them together, are still around.
(the non-commercial ones also ofcourse 
I can say that there are, yes. They are in some gov't and quasi-gov't installations, but they were there, last I looked (and that was very recent). There are probably others, too, but I don't normally look for such things.
doesn't most of SMS (the crap on GSM's) also run on x.25?
i recall some customer of mine talking X.25 to a telco to get their messages to the phones anyway.
same for one of our banks not so very long ago...
There used to be quite substantial usage of X.25 in Brazil, for a lot longer than usual, for POS transactions. x.28 in fact, that would be PAD to X.25, may still be the case ? (RENPAC and 3028 come to mind)
The management of some Nortel GSM devices also could be done over X.25, usually, it would be backhauled over XOT (or in this case, the Nortel equivalent) to the management station, from the devices (I'm happy to say, I don't remember if from the BSCs, or BTSs).
Of course, QLLC and running QLLC to LLC (token ring) devices, was the cherry on top..SNA on top of X.25, converting to token ring SNA..
Somehow, I can't get rid of the nightmares and the waking in the middle of the night, thinking about LAPB, and Clear codes and etc., LUs and PUs...the horror...the horror..
X.25 is very useful for non TCP applications, especially in places where the infrastructure is less-than-modern.
X.25 used as a layer 2 transport (even though it is not technically a L2 protocol, but then neither is ATM) is useful because it has error checking.
if you can live with the rather small mtu 
Not only token ring. I know of some coaxial ethernets that were running as
late as 2007.
Some ATM machines still use X.25. And I know of at least one operational
CNLP network (not a commercial one though)
cheers!
Carlos
lets just say that its easier to have a linux box bridge/route between ethernet and token ring than it is to get ethernet nics for your as/400's and other old stuff.
DATAPAC in Canada was running at least until Jan of this year. The price per month kept getting turned up and up and up and up to "encourage" the last users to migrate away. By the end, I think all that was left were various banking / POS applications. I seem to recall the price around $1,500 a month at the end.
---Mike