I've asked this of a number of people now, but how many providers
have multiple POP's in a city that are _completely redundant_?
That is, they can operate _fully_ with one POP out of service?
The suitcase nuclear bomb that takes out my facility in one location
is very likely to take out my other facility in the same metro area.
And probably all the customers who would remotely care.
Even if they have two pops, many of those cities won't have redundant
long haul capacity.
The bigger problem is actually that many of those cities will have zero
customers who are willing to pay extra to be connected to a router
in POP-A and a router in POP-B, and I know of no way to make such
a connection cost the same or less than a single connection to only
one of those routers. So, while it's _possible_ to make the Big Red Switches'
states very nearly totally invisible to any customer, it's not often done.
But, hey, deep-pockets people have found out that several suppliers
are eminently capable of engineering (nearly) all the resilience and
redundundancy that the deep-pockets can manage to pay for...
Actually, bandwidth to 2 POPs can often be had for close to the same price
as one. ATM bandwidth pricing is close to linear. One physical port, 2
VPI/VCI paths, one to each of two POPs, each with half the bandwidth. If
you were willing to risk one port/one path before you can now do two (or
more). You're right though if you want sperate last mile paths, but that's
an ILEC pricing problem. Since we were talking about multi-homing, my
assumption was two ports/two paths were a given. Destination of the paths
is what I was talking about.
I don't know about the others in this thread, but the suitcase
nuclear bomb is well outside the types of things I worry about
protecting against, and in fact were one to explode I think 'lack
of internet access' would be _WAY_ down on my list of priorities.
Fiber cuts, tech error, and maybe a building fire are of interest
to me.
> The suitcase nuclear bomb that takes out my facility in one location
> is very likely to take out my other facility in the same metro area.
> And probably all the customers who would remotely care.
I don't know about the others in this thread, but the suitcase
nuclear bomb is well outside the types of things I worry about
protecting against, and in fact were one to explode I think 'lack
of internet access' would be _WAY_ down on my list of priorities.
Hopefully Sean was being a bit over the top.
A bomb threat is definately something to worry about, though. I wish I
remembered more of the details or a news article to substantiate, but what
I do remember about a year ago was a bomb threat at the non-ghetto MAE-EAST
facility in Vienna, VA (I remember we were all wondering why all the WCOM
people were leaving the building).
If a bomb (threat) actually had occured, things would have definately
been unhappy.
> > The suitcase nuclear bomb that takes out my facility in one location
> > is very likely to take out my other facility in the same metro area.
> > And probably all the customers who would remotely care.
>
> I don't know about the others in this thread, but the suitcase
> nuclear bomb is well outside the types of things I worry about
> protecting against, and in fact were one to explode I think 'lack
> of internet access' would be _WAY_ down on my list of priorities.
Hopefully Sean was being a bit over the top.
A bomb threat is definately something to worry about, though. I wish I
remembered more of the details or a news article to substantiate, but what
I do remember about a year ago was a bomb threat at the non-ghetto MAE-EAST
facility in Vienna, VA (I remember we were all wondering why all the WCOM
people were leaving the building).
If a bomb (threat) actually had occured, things would have definately
been unhappy.
Rachel
--
But it is a characteristic of wisdom not to do desperate things. - Thoreau
Once upon a time, while talking with a customer about a particular LA
datacenter's fault tolerant features (you know, generators, UPS, HVAC,
diverse fiber entrances, etc...), they very calmly asked me what
procedures we had in place in the event that a major earthquake struck
the southland and dropped LA into the ocean or otherwise put the city
underwater. I told them very bluntly that if an earthquake of that
magnitude were to hit LA, I would *not* be overly concerned with their
servers/circuit/etc., assuming I was still breathing. They were quite
taken aback.
> A bomb threat is definately something to worry about, though.
Once upon a time, while talking with a customer about a particular LA
datacenter's fault tolerant features (you know, generators, UPS, HVAC,
diverse fiber entrances, etc...), they very calmly asked me what
procedures we had in place in the event that a major earthquake struck
the southland and dropped LA into the ocean or otherwise put the city
underwater. I told them very bluntly that if an earthquake of that
magnitude were to hit LA, I would *not* be overly concerned with their
servers/circuit/etc., assuming I was still breathing. They were quite
taken aback.
I guess I should have been more clear. I'm not talking about nuclear bombs.
I was talking about regular explosives (for lack of better wording) - pipe
bombs and the latter. The type of quake you are talking about is up in the
nuclear-bomb stratosphere, and that's not something that would keep me up
at night worrying.
Plus, I live on the east coast. We don't have to worry about these
things called earthquakes for the most part.
> > A bomb threat is definately something to worry about, though.
Once upon a time, while talking with a customer about a particular LA
datacenter's fault tolerant features (you know, generators, UPS, HVAC,
diverse fiber entrances, etc...), they very calmly asked me what
procedures we had in place in the event that a major earthquake struck
the southland and dropped LA into the ocean or otherwise put the city
underwater. I told them very bluntly that if an earthquake of that
magnitude were to hit LA, I would *not* be overly concerned with their
servers/circuit/etc., assuming I was still breathing. They were quite
taken aback.
I guess I should have been more clear. I'm not talking about nuclear bombs.
I was talking about regular explosives (for lack of better wording) - pipe
bombs and the latter. The type of quake you are talking about is up in the
nuclear-bomb stratosphere, and that's not something that would keep me up
at night worrying.
Plus, I live on the east coast. We don't have to worry about these
things called earthquakes for the most part.
