Just a quick FYI, I am no longer with WebUseNet ASN 19151. I'll be starting
to build a new network over the next several months. Does anyone have a low
ASN I can buy/transfer as to not have one up in the 30,000s...
My new contact info for now is, dwightringdahl@yahoo.com, contact me off
list if you have any questions.
Thanks
Dwight Ringdahl
Lemme guess - not only do some places filter 69/8, they bogon-filter AS numbers
over 32K as well? Or is there some other reason?
Nope strictly for marketing reasons... ASN has almost no place in BGP
selection.
If you had acted last week, you'd have gotten a 27600ish ASN... If you
hurry, you can still snag one before 30000 (ARIN is in the 29700's as of
this writing). Then again, if you're bored enough, you could try to time
your app to get 30000 even, or wait a little bit and try for 31337 (though
I suspect that will be hotly contested).
Unfortunately, ARIN won't let you buy just an ASN (after all, why reuse
limited resources when they can make you take a new number, and don't
forget that maintainer fee :P). You pretty much have to buy a whole
company, or at least their "assets that entitled them to the ASN" such as
multiple transits or an existing customer base. They might not consider
buying a defunct company to be one of those situations, so you might not
want to advertise that, particularly when it comes time to transfer it. 
Dang Geek Pride! (Still MH94 and 3901 after all these years..)
It's worse than hanging around Ham radio guys with 4 digit call signs...
.. Next we'll get into .. "I booted off of paper tape.." and then..
"I booted off of flip switches".. but I'm one of the few that have
strung ferrites on a loom.. Martha.. get me my cane..
------- And to get completely off topic.. Why/how would you use
an ASN for marketing purposes? And should this even be considered..
except as a tongue in cheek geek thing?
The US Army Aberdeen Proving Ground controls ASN 666. Coincidence? I think not!
Nonsense. One of the first things new/large companies do is buy someone
with a low ASN and take it over. Look at QWest, Verio, etc. In fact,
pretty much the only exception to this rule is Cogent, who is still using
16631 instead of 174 or 4006.
Nonsense. One of the first things new/large companies do is buy someone
with a low ASN and take it over. Look at QWest, Verio, etc. In fact,
pretty much the only exception to this rule is Cogent, who is still using
16631 instead of 174 or 4006.
Aww. come on.. do they buy them because of a low ASN?
Or because they are looking for a core of experienced
people and some physical assets and customers worth acquiring
and many of them just happen to have a low ASN.
Sometimes not, sometimes both. But if they didn't want the low ASN, it'd
be a lot easier to go get a new one than to do all the paperwork for a
transfer. It's an image thing, pure and simple. If people know you buy
your ASN, why not make it a good one.
Ouch! I remember doing that - on an Elliot 803 - back in 1966.
The embarrassing part is that I still remember the codes I had to set!
Not really. Consider the hassle associated with telling all of the peers of the network you've acquired to change their ASN.
Alec
"Mike (meuon) Harrison" wrote:
Hmm.
Verio, Level(3) and others have much lower asns than
they are using. Level(3) even has AS1 these days under their control
but you don't see them rolling their network into that ASN and instead
are decommisioning the AS1 network.
the issues surrounding a low asn are entirely similar to
states like delaware and others.. people will pay for a lower digit
license plate. IMHO, if someone can justify the asn and someone else
has a spare because of the economy and they want to pay some price in
addition to the arin, ripe, (insert other rir here) transfer fees
that's fine by me as long as whois has the correct data when we need
to hunt them down for net.abuse.
- jared
Nope strictly for marketing reasons... ASN has almost no place in BGP
selection.From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu [mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 11:39 AM
To: dwightringdahl@yahoo.com
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Low AS - Number> Just a quick FYI, I am no longer with WebUseNet ASN 19151. I'll be
starting
> to build a new network over the next several months. Does anyone have a
low
> ASN I can buy/transfer as to not have one up in the 30,000s...Lemme guess - not only do some places filter 69/8, they bogon-filter AS
http://puck.nether.net/~jared/papers/69-paper.html
numbers
over 32K as well? Or is there some other reason?
I can't find it right now, but I believe there is a regex out
there that some people may be using to drop unallocated asn blocks
in as-path filtering. Considering the following, it's not too
shocking to understand why people would want to drop such announcements:
Ouch! I remember doing that - on an Elliot 803 - back in 1966.
The embarrassing part is that I still remember the codes I had to set!
heck.. I was booting a Data General Nova II on Flip Switches in 1984/5
And looming ferrites on a Dupont ACA Chemistry Analyzer around the same
time.. not sure when they were made.. but 70's at least. At least
you did it when they were new.
4 Sale: ISP with ASN 3901 - Just a few mil for the number,
we'll throw in the rest for free. Call Now: BR-549
If that was the prime motiviation for picking an ASN, Verio would be
AS93, or AS97, or AS114, or AS253, etc, etc.. not AS2914.
-dorian
Andrea Abrahamsen wrote:
My ICQ number has 6 digits. Think I can sell it on eBay and make a fortune
?It'd make me a heck of a lot more money than my stocks ! Things that make
you go hmmm...
Yeah. I lost my 5 digit, but still have my 6 digit number.
Then again, I like my 4 digit ASN. It's not exceptional, but it's easy to remember. Still trying to get the name change paperwork from the lawyers though. We haven't been OKFive in years.
-Jack
Maybe Cogent didn't WANT to be associated with AS 174 or 4006...
-C
Another example is AT&T (7018) who purchased CerfNET
(1740), and also have 2386 (and others) for private
use.
-David Barak
Ok, ok, ok, I was trying to say NEW companies often go out and get low
ASNs to further their image. Noone is going to go change ASNs on an
established network just to move from a very well known 7xxx to a 1xxx.
Also, any large network probably has a dozen or so ASNs sitting around
gathering dust from various acquisitions and/or dumb plans by someone in
management that never went anywhere. Using Verio as an example, we all
know they had other legitimate reasons for buying up the smaller providers
that they did, but they certainly didn't turn away the low ASNs in favor
of a new 10xxx either.
You don't need a vanity plate to drive your car, but people are still
willing to spend money for them.