LoA (Letter of Authorization) for Prefix Filter Modification?

Joe Greco wrote:
> How do you verify the authenticity of anything? This is a common problem
> in the Real World, and is hardly limited to LoA's.
>
> How do you prove that what was on Pages 1 to (N-1) of an N page contract
> contained the words you think they said? I knew a guy, back in the early
> days, who habitually changed the SLA's in his contracts so that he could
> cancel a contract for virtually no reason at all ... the folly of mailing
> around contracts as .doc files in e-mail. But even failing that, it's
> pretty trivial to reprint a document, so where do you stop, do you use
> special paper, special ink, watermarking of documents, initial each page,
> all of the above, etc?

what about using a digital signation of e.g. a pdf version of a scan?

Try putting that up next to an apparently legitimate but actually subtly
modified paper contract with signatures, in a court of law, and feel free
to inform us of which one the court finds more compelling.

In an environment where there's an established history and standard
procedures, they're typically going to prefer the familiar method.

In our world, if we were to have some sort of crypto-based way to have a
netblock owner sign something like that, yeah, that'd be great, and it
would mean that the community would generally be able to manage the issue
without having to resort to faxed-around LoA's, etc., but we don't have
that infrastructure, or even a common/widespread LoA system. Sigh.

I'm not arguing that some sort of technical/crypto infrastructure for
authorizing the advertisement of space shouldn't be developed, and in fact
I think it should. However, as an interim step, things like LoA's are
much better than nothing at all, and worrying about the authenticity of
an LoA is probably not worth the time and effort, given the way these
things tend to work out. If there's cause for concern, those who are
receiving the LoA's will ramp up the paranoia.

... JG

I use RWHOIS for proof of who we assign and allocate address space to. I dont believe an LOA is any more valid or secure than my RWHOIS data base that I keep and update on a daily basis. In this case I find it a waste of time when people ask me for LOA's when they can verify the info on my RWHOIS site. And I point these people to my RWHOIS site when they ask for LOA as opposed to wasting my time on creating paperwork. However, if you dont have something like that set up, then I do see the value in people asking for LOA and thus helping to ensure address space isnt getting hijacked.

My 2 cents
Marla Azinger
Frontier Communications

Azinger, Marla wrote:

I use RWHOIS for proof of who we assign and allocate address space to. I dont believe an LOA is any more valid or secure than my RWHOIS data base that I keep and update on a daily basis. In this case I find it a waste of time when people ask me for LOA's when they can verify the info on my RWHOIS site. And I point these people to my RWHOIS site when they ask for LOA as opposed to wasting my time on creating paperwork. However, if you dont have something like that set up, then I do see the value in people asking for LOA and thus helping to ensure address space isnt getting hijacked.
  
How is _you_ showing information in an RWHOIS server that _you_ control in any way proving that the holder of a address block is authorizing _you_ to advertise it on their behalf? It is not unreasonable for your upstreams to ask for some proof _from the holder_ rather than simply trusting you. For all they know, you're just hijacking random address space and putting it in your RWHOIS server.

Would you be happy if some random Tier 1 started letting _their_ customers advertise _your_ address space, just because those customers had put up an RWHOIS server claiming it was theirs?

This is not about asking you for an LoA for your own address space, which any moron can follow in a reasonably trustworthy chain from ARIN to you. It's about address space that is _not_ directly registered to the company trying to get a filter exception.

S

Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:

Azinger, Marla wrote:

I use RWHOIS for proof of who we assign and allocate address space to.

How is _you_ showing information in an RWHOIS server that _you_
control in any way proving that the holder of a address block is
authorizing _you_ to advertise it on their behalf?

At least in my case, it's not *my* rwhois server. My first ISP lists me
as the owner/user/whatever in *their* rwhois server, and my second ISP
considers that authoritative.

seph

Wouldn't it be interesting if every service provider would query the RIR's
to find out who owns the block and then do some due diligence to make sure
the block is being advertised by the right person.

Mike