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  Ok, I am really getting sick of hearing, I am connected to 'the
Internet Backbone' We are connected to the Internet Backbone so we are
better than X and Y put together.

We have a local, new, competitor who generally lies out his ass and also says
'We are the Internet backbone. Only we can offer you 100% Full Bandwidth'.
They have a T1 to a provider with a T1 to MCI and a T1 to AGIS.

Of course, they claim to have 3 T3s and they claim that MAE-East an
unimportant private exchange point between AT&T and Sprint.

And they solicit our customers, sigh.

And someone with 2 T1s to Sprint has been saying "We are *the* Internet
Backbone in South Jersey".

  I guess this is what happens when you get back from Interop and
here all these people, uh they start with USWEST in their name, tell me
and everyone else, We are connected to The Internet Backbone.

  So please someon,e please tell me I am correct in saying to all
these not so bright people that there really is not an 'Internet Backbone'
that USWest, SISNA (who now claims to be the 3rd largest ISP/NSP and still
have only a T1 to MCI, and claim that is a DS3) and all these other
people who think that they are connected to the internet back bone.

Everyone (of importance) agrees that in order to claim you're a backbone
you have to (now, not a year ago) be connected to at least 2 public NAPs/MAEs
and have at least one circuit that runs at DS3 or higher speed.

  Well, thanks for all your help. because I wanna be an isp :slight_smile: Now
where did I put that Lart.

I'm not sure how much of the NANOG community reads alt.sysadmin.recovery,
but I'd recommend it to all... (Lart is a sysadmin term meaning Luser
Attitude Readjustment Tool).

Christian Nielsen
Vyzynz International Inc. cnielsen@vii.com,CN46,KB7HAP
Phone 801-568-0999 Fax 801-568-0953
Private Email - Christian@Nielsen.Net BOFH - cnielsen@one.dot PS :slight_smile:

Avi

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We have a local, new, competitor who generally lies out his ass and also says
'We are the Internet backbone. Only we can offer you 100% Full Bandwidth'.
They have a T1 to a provider with a T1 to MCI and a T1 to AGIS.

  I guess you could get that in writting from him and than sue him
when there is a problem, ie not getting 100%. I know of an FTP site that
could fill that up :slight_smile:

Of course, they claim to have 3 T3s and they claim that MAE-East an
unimportant private exchange point between AT&T and Sprint.

  Well, having a T3 is really no big deal, or having fiber. Lets
see, we run fiber in our office, so we fiber to the net.

And they solicit our customers, sigh.

  The bad thing about AS's, Internic, etc. Everyone knows who your
customers are :frowning:

And someone with 2 T1s to Sprint has been saying "We are *the* Internet
Backbone in South Jersey".

  *sigh* I guess this goes on everywhere.

  I guess that the only way to be the 'winner' in this market is to
be truthfull to the customers. One of the ISPs in Utah has NO tech
support to turn on new customers at this time, and they have a T3 to
sprint, :frowning: And one of our customers who is going to them, they cut our
price by 75% is about to be cut off. And they say the Law of the Harvest
is not true.

  Sad internet.

  On another note, in routing in the internet, it talks about if
you are having more than a 2% packet loss, you need to get it fixed. Well
we are seeing over 20% at some places.. And the Internet is going well?
Also, the Utah REP, based on Dave Segiels Phoenix REP, will be up this
week for anyone in the Utah Area looking for a place to connect.

Christian Nielsen
Vyzynz International Inc. cnielsen@vii.com,CN46,KB7HAP
Phone 801-568-0999 Fax 801-568-0953
Private Email - Christian@Nielsen.Net BOFH - cnielsen@one.dot PS :slight_smile: