[[IP] Feds: VoIP a potential haven for terrorists]

Electronic Surveillance Needs for Carrier-Grade Voice over Packet (CGVoP) Service
CALEA Implementation
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Jan 29, 2003
http://www.ictlaw.net/upload/fbivoip.pdf

-Hank

* jeffshultz@wvi.com (Jeff Shultz) [Fri 18 Jun 2004, 21:42 CEST]:

Pay for it? If I remember from CALEA, the providers pay for it
(and eventually their customers), and as for "broadband Internet
providers"... I'm guessing anyone who offers end user customers
a circuit bigger than 53.333k.

Pet peeve: broadband isn't a synonym for "faster than a modem."
Cable and DSL are broadband due to those technologies using a wide range
of frequencies. Ethernet is not broadband (but baseband).

  -- Niels.

Stephen J. Wilcox [19/06/04 16:38 +0100]:

> A coupla' years ago, the FCC defined "Broadband" as 200Kbps and above.

Hmm different jurisdiction but Tiscali & NTL seems to think broadband is as
low as 100Kbps

In India, it is anywhere over 64 Kbps, and the maximum offered over cable /
dsl is currently 512 Kbps.

And of course, anything below several Mbps (or 100 Mbps in the case of FTTH)
is definitely not "broadband" in Japan :slight_smile:

  srs

Thus spake "Niels Bakker" <niels=nanog@bakker.net>

* jeffshultz@wvi.com (Jeff Shultz) [Fri 18 Jun 2004, 21:42 CEST]:
> Pay for it? If I remember from CALEA, the providers pay for it
> (and eventually their customers), and as for "broadband Internet
> providers"... I'm guessing anyone who offers end user customers
> a circuit bigger than 53.333k.

Pet peeve: broadband isn't a synonym for "faster than a modem."
Cable and DSL are broadband due to those technologies using a wide range
of frequencies. Ethernet is not broadband (but baseband).

Congress can define a word (in the US legal context) to mean anything they
want; whether such has any relation to its technical definition is
irrelevant. I doubt they care about the technology used to deliver IP
service, only the capabilities and typical users; defining "broadband" as
any circuit 56kbps or above would likely suffice for their intent,
regardless of how incorrect it is.

However, I fail to see how "broadband" or link speeds in general even matter
in this context; what matters is whether the link is of sufficient speed for
VoIP to be feasible, in which case anything from 9.6kbps cellular to WiFi,
from ARCnet to OC192/10GE might qualify -- or might not, if IP isn't running
over it.

S

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"But the change is real. I don't think anybody would argue now
that the Internet isn't becoming a major factor in our lives. However,
it's very new to us. Newsreaders still feel it is worth a special and
rather worrying mention if, for instance, a crime was planned by people
over the Internet. They don't bother to mention when criminals use the
telephone or the M4, or discuss their dastardly plans "over a cup of tea",
though each of these was new and controversial in their day."

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