For this particular host record, its existance or non-existance doesn't
have any effect on anything. On the one hand, it doesn't really hurt to
delete it. But for someone unrelated to the domain or IP (mr robb) to
vehemently demand that the Internic delete it is just plain nutty.
--Dean
If you don't send or sponsor unsolicited commercial email or websites for
them, then what are you afraid of? Providers who act responsibly on
complaints of theft of electronic services (unsolicited commercial email)
by dropping email accounts and/or websites don't appear to get "this kind
of harassment" - It is usually reserved for those rogue ISP's who refuse
to act upon complaints and continue to do business with spammer-thiefs.
Since you claim to be a "responsible" ISP this shouldn't be a problem for
you. You HAVE been a responsible ISP, haven't you? Or do you
knowlingly sponsor websites for spammers or send out spam yourself?
Methinks he doth protesteth too much.
Perhaps we need to have a way to authenticate and limit who can get phone
numbers and email addresses from the whois database, in order to prevent
the kind of harassment and abuse apparently exercised by Mr. Robb.If you don't send or sponsor unsolicited commercial email or websites for
them, then what are you afraid of? Providers who act responsibly on
complaints of theft of electronic services (unsolicited commercial email)
by dropping email accounts and/or websites don't appear to get "this kind
of harassment" - It is usually reserved for those rogue ISP's who refuse
to act upon complaints and continue to do business with spammer-thiefs.
Ah. Only girls with lowcut blouses and short skirts are raped. Since I
don't wear lowcut blouses or short skirts, I have nothing to worry about,
and shouldn't be concerned. Rape is OK, since it only happens to the sleazy
girls. Uh Huh. When can I screw the interns? Say, you aren't hosting any
porn or uncensored webcams are you? Boy, I think they're sick. Lets make
sure we disconnect the entire lot, and any ISP/NSP who refuses to cooperate
we'll just DoS them until they are pounded to dirt, like AGIS. Hey look,
I think they are irresponsible. I'm justified in harassing them and
publishing false routes etc. Right?
I expect some kind of gaussian distribution of harassment develops where
everyone gets harassed by some lunatic, and can't do anything about it.
Eventually, somebody mails a bomb. To me? To you? To some kid in Vermont?
You're smarter than that. I think. Besides, I react badly to coercion. So
do most people. Thats why we need laws. Sensible ones at that.
Anyway, I don't think it is just spammers. NOC's don't put terribly good
information in whois because general public lusers will call them, instead
of the help desk. Most companies don't list off-hours numbers. etc.
Since you claim to be a "responsible" ISP this shouldn't be a problem for
you. You HAVE been a responsible ISP, haven't you? Or do you
knowlingly sponsor websites for spammers or send out spam yourself?
Actually, unlike some who claim to be anti-spam, and then secretly host
spammers, hoping no one will find out, I don't have any spam customers.
And I don't have any customers who resell services. We aren't very big.
But neither will I filter, if we ever have ISP customers whose customers
send spam.
Methinks he doth protesteth too much.
I don't think I protest enough. Spam actually runs only 2% of email volume.
Now, does anyone know how much of the total traffic is SMTP? These
alleged great pains caused by spam are, after 9 months of study and record
keeping, truly smoke. Buy some hardware. Find some people to run it.
On the other hand, maybe I have been a bit hasty, and haven't considered
every option. Vix, will you put porn sites into the RBL? I'll tell you
what, if you put any site I and a few others think is immoral into the RBL,
I will drop my opposition and join the ranks of the antispammers, (whom we
will also rename the moral majority, since Falwell abandoned that name)
Also, we will have to get rid of all the sex groups on usenet, by not
transmitting them on news servers, and pointing cancel bots at the groups.
I'll even take the RBL myself, and I'll try to get others to, as well. I
will be as vocal and active in your support as I am in opposition. More so.
If the anti-spammers do this, I'm a convert.
--Dean
No I didn't....that's how we spelled it back in Arkansaw....insert "bub"
anywhere possible 
Given the subject in question, it probably should have been
"discom-boob-ulated"...:>
Spam: it's not just for breakfast anymore....
Dean Robb
PC-Easy
On-site computer services
(757) 495-EASY [3279]
There is no organized group of anti-spammers. There are a number
of small, semi-organized groups which promote their own methods;
these include the RBL volunteers, CAUCE, SPUTUM, and others.
Sometimes the groups agree, sometimes they don't. All of them
get mail from people who, like you, seem to think that any type
of organized spam protection is censorship.
Perhaps you should form a coalition of anti-anti-spammers; it
might help you refine your arguments. They need a lot of work.
Ah. Only girls with lowcut blouses and short skirts are raped. Since I
don't wear lowcut blouses or short skirts, I have nothing to worry about,
and shouldn't be concerned. Rape is OK, since it only happens to the sleazy
girls. Uh Huh. When can I screw the interns? Say, you aren't hosting any
porn or uncensored webcams are you? Boy, I think they're sick. Lets make
sure we disconnect the entire lot, and any ISP/NSP who refuses to cooperate
we'll just DoS them until they are pounded to dirt, like AGIS. Hey look,
I think they are irresponsible. I'm justified in harassing them and
publishing false routes etc. Right?I expect some kind of gaussian distribution of harassment develops where
everyone gets harassed by some lunatic, and can't do anything about it.
Eventually, somebody mails a bomb. To me? To you? To some kid in Vermont?
You're smarter than that. I think. Besides, I react badly to coercion. So
do most people. Thats why we need laws. Sensible ones at that.
What type of crack are you on Dean? Your analogy is a mockery of the whole
discussion <if there still needs to be one>. It's more akin to your dog
deficating on your neighbors lawn - it IS your neighbors lawn and it IS
your dog - 1st time comes the obligatory phone call "is this your sh*t"
but you deal with it, 2nd comes the shout over the fence "clean up your
sh*t" - but YOU still have to deal with it, FINALLY you pick up the object
and hurl it over the fence to your neighbor's picture window screaming
"EAT SH*T" - the only positive thing about the whole experience is that
you really learn that it's better to know your sh*t.
Whose responsibility is YOUR dog - and if you don't curb your dog, and I
have to, I will definately make sure you do not enjoy and want to
avoid the experience in the future.
As far as rape - you need to switch groups - the binaries are killin you -
try alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.midgets for a little relief