Internic address allocation policy

> Heh, I can lie my way through anything. I just refuse to do so.

Yup.. I guess that when I drew it out in detail with only two mistakes
[POPs ended up a different location than what was planned] I was lying.

Nope, I did not lie, and neither would you if you were to think a
little. A business plan is just that, a PLAN, and the NIC is asking for
a PLAN, not a full view of the future. If you are wrong, you are wrong.
If you submit what you PLAN, that is what they are asking for.

MCSNet's business plan is CONFIDENTIAL. When the NIC is willing to sign a
$10M indemnity guarantee of non-release, standard business confidentiality
agreements, and provide a list of EXACTLY who is viewing it, and why,
then I might release one.

Until then it is none of their damn business, and that is and was my exact
response to the request.

Can I predict a year out where we will have POPs, what kind of customers will

> be behind those POPs, or where they will be situated and how we will route
> their networks for them?

If not, you don't have an idea of what your business is going to be
doing. As I said above, you may plan wrong, but you sure as HELL should
have a plan that at least goes a year into the future.

I have a business plan that goes *five* years out into the future, and
nobody -- but nobody -- is ever going to see it without DAMN good

> No damn way. No ISP in the business can possibly do that and be telling the
> truth.

I don't appreciate being called a liar, Karl.

They asked for a PLAN, I supplied a PLAN.


                                              Alan B. Clegg
                                              Information Systems Manager
                                              American Research Group

Then you're a fool, almost as bad as the one who is announcing OSPF routes
at the MAE.

Anyone who gives business plans out to people without iron-clad
confidentiality guarantees deserves to get screwed. If your business
plan is "real", in that it contains the major elements of any professional
business plan (ie: your marketing strategies, your intended customer base,
your growth projections and geographic interests, etc), then that
information is likely to be some of the most valuable that you develop
and posess. In fact, I would argue that your business plan is more
important than ANY amount of technology you develop.

If you're willing to hand that out to people, or get extorted into giving it
out, that's your choice, but its certainly not mine, and certainly not that
of anyone who, IMHO, has an operational brain in their head as regards
business and how it functions. Since you feel that it is of so little value
that the NIC could have a copy without any signed guarantee of non-release,
how about you post a copy here for our edification so I know where to set my
next few POPs -- right on top of yours.

I am told by someone with direct knowledge that all they want is some
estimate of numbers of pops and methods of connecting them. IE some data
about proposed network topology and nothing more and that they pledge to
keep this confidential.

Karl defined what was wanted in rather broader terms unless I
misunderstood his message. Why can't some general estimate at this
fairly high and abstract level with geographic locations of POPS not
precisely pin pointed (pick the radius that suits you - 10 miles - 5- or
50 miles) be given. Several people directly involved in the process are
telling me that such general and fairly abstract data is quite sufficient
and that they absolutely do NOT want anything to do with how the ISP
defines it future market.

Karl: is it your point that you cannot even give general data without
giving away more than you want about market you are pursuing?

What effect will the change of ownership at the NIC have?
I for one would be wary of giving them information that I
want them to keep private; they are not a government agency
who is at least bound by some rules. Now that the NIC has
been sold to ______ (I have no idea if I am allowed to say
so I will put it in as a blank, but I am pretty sure this
is all public knowledge) would agreements to keep things
private really be secure with a new owner, etc?