I thought I'd put a smile on your faces for Friday. This is how networking happens in Hawaii...
This reads a lot like dsl wars between ilecs and clecs in the late 90s and early 2ks.
Great times? Or Greatest times?
This reads a lot like dsl wars between ilecs and clecs in the late 90s and
early 2ks.
compounded by a 100+ year old military occupation
See official apology of the United State to Hawaii
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-107/pdf/STATUTE-107-Pg1510.pdf
which includes these words:
“apologizes to Native Hawaiians on behalf of the people of the United States for the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii on January 17, 1893 with the participation of agents and citizens of the United States, and the deprivation of the rights of Native Hawaiians to self-determination;”
See official apology of the United State to Hawaii
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-107/pdf/STATUTE-107-Pg1510.pdf
which includes these words:
"apologizes to Native Hawaiians on behalf of the people of the United
States for the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii on January 17, 1893 with
the participation of agents and citizens of the United States, and the
deprivation of the rights of Native Hawaiians to self-determination;"
that and 15 cents will get you on the subway
Strictly speaking, the U.S. government didn't overthrow Hawaii. U.S.
expats acting on their own (with some funny business that looked like
bribery of U.S. military in the area) overthrew Kamehameha's
descendant. The U.S. President at the time denounced it (especially
the part about suborning the military) but half a decade later the
U.S. government agreed to admit the already-conquered territory rather
than leave it to be picked off by someone else.
Countries whose law derives from English Common law have a concept of
adverse possession. Details vary but mainly if you can hold the land
for 20 years against the owner's wishes then it's your land.
Conceptually it applies to nations just as surely as individuals. This
is wise - it allows folks now alive to avoid an endless descent into
the murderous history of land changing hands.
Regards,
Bill Herrin
Strictly speaking, the U.S. government didn't overthrow Hawaii. U.S.
expats acting on their own (with some funny business that looked like
bribery of U.S. military in the area) overthrew Kamehameha's
descendant.
That would be the Committee of Safety formed of very, very rich people expressly to overthrow the Hawaiian Kingdom:
"Committee of Safety (Hawaii) - Wikipedia"
(Their families are still extraordinarily rich to this day)
The U.S. President at the time denounced it (especially
the part about suborning the military) but half a decade later the
U.S. government agreed to admit the already-conquered territory rather
than leave it to be picked off by someone else.
The president at the time of the overthrow attempt saw the lies the Committee of Safety was saying about the lives of Americans being in danger and said no to the overthrow. Extraordinarily rich mainland Americans (steel/rail guys, I think) bought the next president and he was the one that authorized the overthrow. There's a lot more to the story, including US government military marching up Richards St in downtown Honolulu to `Iolani palace and arresting queen Lili`uokalani under gun point.
Countries whose law derives from English Common law have a concept of
adverse possession. Details vary but mainly if you can hold the land
for 20 years against the owner's wishes then it's your land.
Conceptually it applies to nations just as surely as individuals.
Hawaiians did not have this concept. It was forced on them militarily.
scott
(use your filtering tool to ignore this... :))
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William Herrin wrote:
Countries whose law derives from English Common law have a concept of
adverse possession. Details vary but mainly if you can hold the land
for 20 years against the owner's wishes then it's your land.
Conceptually it applies to nations just as surely as individuals.
Such interpretation of English Common law is against Zionism
promoted by British government and should be wrong.
Masataka Ohta