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I'm not worried about the existance of a purported legal entity
  that appears to be hosting a mailing list.
  The question I ask, and am still waiting for an answer to is;

  what are the differences (charter) between the European Operator
  Forum (eof) and the nasent EuroNOG?

  Young Nich. has failed to respond. I guess the question is either
  too difficult to answer or is perceived to be retorical.

--bill

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1/ Quick presentation

1.1/ RIPE EOF
RIPE EOF is a working group inside RIPE.
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/eof/

Charter:
The European Operators Forum deals with the operational issues of
networks in Europe, such as new backbones and Internet Exchange Points.

Mailing-list:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail-archives/eof-list/index.html
70 messages in 2002.

EOF meeting during RIPE meeting.

1.2/ EuroNOG
EuroNOG is a community.
http://www.euronog.org/

Charter:
- EuroNOG is a place for exchange technical information related to
security, engineering and operation of the european Internet.
- EuroNOG is not a legal entity. There is no formal membership or
organisation, and no fees. Subscription to the mailing-list constitutes
"membership" of EuroNOG.
- EuroNOG is not a place for political and commercial discussions of any
kind.
- EuroNOG is aimed at european technical engineers and experts, but it
is open to anyone interested in furthering the EuroNOG goals.
- The working language is english.

Mailing-list:
http://www.mail-archive.com/euronog@ml.euronog.org/
42 messages in 4 days.

EuroNOG is a neutral community with about the
same goals as Nanog for european people.

If you want subscribe to the mailing-list:
euronog-subscribe@ml.euronog.org.

2/ Differences beetween RIPE EOF and EuroNOG

RIPE EOF is not neutral and depend of RIPE.
EuroNOG is neutral and don't depend of any organization.

RIPE EOF don't claim to be a neutral community with about the
same goals as Nanog for european people.
EuroNOG claim to be a neutral community with about the
same goals as Nanog for european people.

RIPE EOF is a working group inside a organization.
EuroNOG is not a working group inside a organization.
EuroNOG is open and make easier creation of working groups, on request
DDoS tracking WG have been created.

RIPE EOF don't have a lof of activity.
EuroNOG is active.

EuroNOG offer many ressources to network operators, any contributions
(tools, documents,...) is welcome.

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Nicolas,

2/ Differences beetween RIPE EOF and EuroNOG

RIPE EOF is not neutral and depend of RIPE.
EuroNOG is neutral and don't depend of any organization.

RIPE is a neutral and independent organization, so any of its working
groups are by definition also neutral and independent.

EuroNOG is open and make easier creation of working groups, on request
DDoS tracking WG have been created.

Easier than what? To start a WG in RIPE, all that is required is one
email to the organization to ask for a room for a BoF.

RIPE EOF don't have a lof of activity.
EuroNOG is active.

Define active. RIPE EOF has been meeting 3 times a year for at least the
last 6 years, with a room full of people showing up for every meeting.

Henk (speaking for himself).

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Where all messages are CC:'s from other active mailinglists. You seem to
have no or little subscribers.

(and please, stop coming up with your fantasy-friends who exist only in
you imagination).