E.E. Times?

The EE Times writer stumbled across the May/June BoardWatch article that
somehow warped the May NANOG discussions on routing stability into a story on
"Cisco's dirty little secret." The EE Times author apparently thought this
would make a great basis for a vendor-bashing story, so he gave both Merit and
Cisco a call.

Both Cisco and the RA tried to carefully (and at great length) explain to the
EE Times writer the same things discussed at NANOG. Particularly, we (Merit)
tried to emphasize that we were/are not finger-pointing at Cisco, nor any
other single vendor/ISP. Basically, the content of the discussion was:

* there are an awful lot of withdraw/announcements out there
* we don't know were they are comming from, and no, it is not Cisco's fault
* some valid, and standards-compliant vendor implementation decisions are
  contributing a small fraction of extra withdraws (yes, Cisco is one of
  these vendors, but there are probably others)
* there are differing opinions on how much of a problem all of this extra
  withdraws pose for Internet
* even though it is not clear there was/is a significant problem, vendors
  (Cisco) have created fixes to limit some of the extraneous routing
  information
* a recently noticed 30-second periodicity to updates tends to suggest a
  systematic problem in the infrastructure. This 30 second periodicity
  occurs with both widthraws and announcements (and seems independent of
  the extra withdraw problem). This problem may be a widespread
  problem with: data collection errors, leased lines (DSU/CSU), common
  configuration errors, bugs in router software, and even
  self-synchronization problems or base, theoretical problems in the
  routing protocols themselves.

At the end of this discussion, I felt somewhat comfortable that the author
understood the issues. I was disappointed, and a bit discouraged to see the
resulting article.

Unfortunately, this article seems to be one of the more widely-read pieces on
routing stability. Cisco and Merit even received calls from the NY Times and
Washington Post about it. But after explaining the issues, the Times/Post
reporters correctly decided that there was not a good -- and certainly not a
"Cisco is at fault" -- story in the issues -- only a complicated, poorly
understood problem.

-- Craig

Some pointers:
A discussion of the BoardWatch article
http://www.ispc.org/news/news003.html

Routing statistics/analysis
  http://www.merit.edu/ipma/analysis

NANOG home page (with pointers to the meeting notes)
  http://www.nanog.org

> Has anyone heard of E.E. Times that did a piece on the Internet and blame

d

> Cisco routers for all the bottlenecks? They quote www.ra.net/statistics

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The EE Times writer stumbled across the May/June BoardWatch article that
somehow warped the May NANOG discussions on routing stability into a story
on "Cisco's dirty little secret." The EE Times author apparently thought
this would make a great basis for a vendor-bashing story, so he gave both
Merit and Cisco a call.

Both Cisco and the RA tried to carefully (and at great length) explain to
the EE Times writer the same things discussed at NANOG.

He called others, namely me. Having had many bad experiences with the
yellow press on a mission, I did not go on at great length.

When called by a panther, don't anther. - Ogden Nash

randy

September actually. http://www.boardwatch.com/mag/96/sept/bwm17.htm

And I wrote a rebuttal that was posted to 4 or 5 ISP mailing lists
http://www.ispc.org/news/news003.html

I've written a complaint to the EETimes editors regarding this and
referring them to both URL's above. In my opinion the article is
plagiarism, stupid and not even news.

Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting
Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049
http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com