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Sorry for the top-post, but wanted to retain context here.
Also, sorry for the specific product mention, but much of is
mentioned below is something that we are doing with ICSS/BASE:
- - ferg
Actually, reading your reply (which is the same as my own, pretty
figure the guy asked a question and he has a real problem.
doesn't want to clean them up is not nice of us.
Infected machines (bots) will cause a lot more than just DNS
like this have a way of getting worse all by themselves if not
Anyway, to play nice.. how about using a router to dampen traffic
icmp dampening? Would it be possible to do DNS dampening?
I think the trouble comes when you want to limit the request rate
*per client source address*, rather than limiting the request rate
across the board. That implies the retention of state, and since DNS
transactions are brief (and since the client population is often
large) that can add up to a lot of state to keep at an aggregation
point like a router.
There some appliances which are designed to hold large amounts of
state (e.g. f5's big-ip) but you're talking non-trivial dollars for
that. Beware enterprise-scale stateful firewall devices which might
seem like sensible solutions to this problem. They are often not
suitable for use in front of busy DNS servers (even a few hundred new
flows per second is a lot for some vendors, despite the apparent
marketing headroom based on the number of kbps you need to handle).
You may find that you can install ipfw (or similar) rules on your
nameservers themselves to do this kind of thing. Take careful note of
what happens when the client population becomes large, though -- the
garbage collection ought to be smooth and painless, or you'll just
wind up swapping one worm proliferation failure mode for another.
Host-based per-client rate limits scale better if there are many
hosts providing service, e.g. behind a load balancer or using
something like <http://www.isc.org/pubs/tn/isc-tn-2004-1.html>.
As to the wider question, cleaning up the infected hosts is an
excellent goal, but it'd certainly be nice if your DNS servers
continued to function while you were doing so. Having every non-
infected customer phone up screaming at once can be an unwelcome
distraction when you already have more man hours of work to do per
day than you have (staff * 24).