default routes question or any way to do the rebundant

A google search for <ipfilter "policy routing">
turns up lots of hints (mine included).

There are some variations using lo0 so that the route
is always available esp. in BSDs.

Though this is NANOG, I'd guess that many subscribers are
only familiar with using Cisco and Juniper boxen i.e. fully
fledged routers, for multihoming at the edge.
Some of us live at the edge, providing services and content
using Alteon/F5/BSD
We have often solved these issues WITHOUT using C or J
(other than for upstream connections).
Even with multi Gb connectivity, C & J are not essential !
</rant> writes:

And more to the point - if somebody manages to go through all the hoops
needed to ask a basic question on the NANOG list, it demonstrates a
desire to accumulate clue - so we should encourage those people. ...

yes, please. (i've not given up on accumulating clue some day.) wrote:

That's cute Valdis, but did the little girl and Einstein force thousands of
people around the world to read their correspondence? I whole-heartily
encourage and thank anyone willing to take the time to help the original
poster. Off-list.


Strange. I subscribed to numerous mailing lists. My mail reader's search function has been most enlightening when someone shared the answer with the group, which is often experienced by others, clueful or not, and honestly, easier to search than most mailing list archives. It's disingenuous to not share the answer, as anyone searching the archives will find the question unanwered and thus insurmountable, or they'll find a polite followup or pointer, and the benefit happens without additional email traffic

When did this become the debian support list anyway :slight_smile: Or should we simply point folks to

To whomever started the thread with an actual question, don't be scared off. We're more like gentoo users than the other guys. Here's a good general resource (I know there are better but some of my favorite links are lost in time, and encourage folks to share)

Hey nanog committee, there's an idea. How about an operator's wiki? looks a bit weak given the overall bundled IQ floating around these parts? (even an email submission link for good stuff might be a start.....nanog-support seems too general for such)

Best regards,

Hey nanog committee, there's an idea. How about an operator's wiki?

centralization is not a core feature of the internet :slight_smile:


Thanks Randy, (seriously, I get questions such as those all the time)

I was beginning to think NANOG was still stuck in the 2002 or something :slight_smile: You surely know the parable "the shoemakers kids are the last to get shoes" as my own 'lab' full of toys/stuff is the last to get upgraded and labeled. would be an ideal place to place a link to the wiki. (and yes, might be a nice DNS addition).

Best regards, and again, thanks for the pointer.


Randy Bush wrote: wrote:

Inet-access used be a good place for finding that type of
information, but that list seems to be on life-support these days.

<ob python>

It's not dead yet!


Ask a good question in inet-access and you will get a lot of answers, both on and off list.

The reason the list isn't very active is that its former "support new ISPs" role is unfortunately dwindling as the telcos keep selling ISP services for less-than-wholesale and independent ISPs can't compete and fold or sell-out to the telcos.

For anyone who wants to join this low volume (but bursty) list, see:

As to the original question, it would be useful to review the NANOG FAQ before posting, especially if one is new to the list. Among the many useful tidbits of information is this one:


Q: How do I know if a router configuration question is on-topic or not?
question is best asked on one of the router-specific mailing lists below. If your question is "How do I get <vendor A> and <vendor B>'s implementations to work together?" then that question is on-topic for NANOG. Platform-specific lists include:

Cisco routers cisco-nsp
Juniper routers
Foundry routers
Riverstone routers