companies like microsoft and telia...

> grrrrrrrrrrrrr.

telia has been on my list for 2.5 years now for this stuff.

let the public shaming begin, then.

four isp abusebots have rejected my complaints tonight because (gasp!)
i included a copy of the virus i was complaining about. cluestick please!

MS is also, I am told, behind the gutting, stalling, and undermining
of Senator Bowen's SB 12 (the California anti-spam legislation).

Right now her office is basically scrambling to get other ISPs to give
their input so that they can demonstrate that MS does not speak for
the networking world in wanting things like this:

"If a recipient has either provided direct consent or has a preexisting
or current business relationship with the sender, commercial e-mail
advertisements from that sender shall not be construed as
unsolicited commercial e-mail advertisements."
(k) "Preexisting or current business relationship," as used in
connection with the sending of a commercial e-mail advertisement,
means the recipient has made an inquiry, application, purchase, or
transaction regarding products or services, including the use of free
products or services, offered by the sender."

So pretty much if someone breathed in their general direction, it's
ok to put them on a mailing list and spam the heck out of them.

MS apparently threw their weight around in the Business &
Professions committee, and asserted that they stand for everyone,
and few others have come forth to refute it.

[Note: We're leading a delegation to meet with Senator Bowen
tomorrow; if anybody here cares about this stuff, and would like to
offer their 2cents, I'd be happy to send you a copy of the bill, and
hand carry a fax to her (or give you a fax # for her). But it needs to
be fast, I'm heading up there in about 8 hours. This is CA legislation
affecting any network which sends to or is in CA - it will impact
everyone, on some level.]

We now end this "how Bill becomes a law" civics class, and return
you to your regularly scheduled NANOG.