Hi all,
Looking for colo space in Amsterdam, is it common to have to pay for phase3 power busbar and busbar, power supply, and tap off? Total costs for adding 3 phase plus testing etc … 136.000 Euros for NRCs and the following MRC:
The Service Fee for a 20kW deployment would be €350/kW/month, so €7,000 per month in total based on a 36 month term and 3% annual indexation
· Electricity consumption will be measured and invoiced monthly in arrears at €0.278 per kWh (2024 pricing)
Mike
20kW is not an insignificant power requirement, I’m not surprised your requirement is pricy.
So they have a charge just to have the capacity present of 7000 euros/month and then .278 euros per KWh on top of that?
I wish I could get away with charging that.
Aaron
From “harbor235” <harbor235@gmail.com>
To “NANOG list” <nanog@nanog.org>
Date 12/11/2024 12:45:52 PM
Subject COLO space in EU
Yea, looks like whoever did that quote does not really want the business and is pricing it as such
Yea, looks like whoever did that quote does not really want the business and is pricing it as such
Is there a reason why AMS (presumably the IXs)?
You may find other NL DCs cheaper but still close enough to AMS for your needs. For example, in Rotterdam there has been more investment in the port’s industrial grid infra, which may get you a cheaper rate for power.
In any case, the rate you have been quoted seems high and you can definitely shop around.
Where are you seeing that kind of pricing? The utility cost would have to be sub $0.15/kWh to even pay the bill with 20kW, ignoring any cooling.
I don’t understand how people stay in business paying $0.15/kWh. That’s crazy.
From “Riley O” <m32+nanog@cubit.sh>
To “Aaron Wendel” <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net>
Cc “Tony Wicks” <tony@wicks.co.nz>; “NANOG list” <nanog@nanog.org>
Date 12/11/2024 3:22:27 PM
Subject Re: Re[2]: COLO space in EU
Yea, 0.15-30EUR is definitely higher than the US average, much higher than what we pay.
Out here, colo spaces tend to charge ~1.5-2x the utility rate in the quote. Mainly to factor in cooling, depending on their PUE.
Based on cost of power in the EU, the monthly seems fine, but the install cost seems high. It seems like that facility doesn't have the power available, or doesn't have 3 phase and wants you to foot the cost.
I would shop, there's probably a space that has the power and delivery ready and available.
- Riley
There are major problems with power in The Netherlands, and it is really not easy if possible at all to increase the amount of electricity if that was not contracted before. Pricing looks quite normal for an overloaded grid and datacenter. Every datacenter has 3 phase power available, that really is common in The Netherlands. There is a stop for companies (and even hospitals and schools) to extend the power requirements, the waiting list is long. It is mainly the national grid that is at peak capacity and is awaiting extension.
Regards,
Erik (living in The Netherlands but not using a datacenter anymore)
.278€ per kWh is sort of a list price what they have to pay to the utility.
On top of that they run 20kW cooling equipment and 20kW UPS.
I have seen even higher prices in Frankfurt.
If I remember my company's latest Frankfurt contract, that was a few
100€ for the racks but 10s of thousands € yearly for the energy (~7kw
per rack)
To me, today, datacenter colo business is just reselling energy.
Hi Riley,
I am not sure what you mean here, are you saying to make money off charging 0.278kWh the cost from the utility provider would need to be 0.15kWh? Are you saying the power rate is low?
Mike