Class "B" forsale (fwd)

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Hi,

If the transfers are not honored then they will have no value.

True. For address space to have value on the Internet it must be

  a) globally unique
  b) accepted for routing by an Internet service provider

Requirement (a) is met by any address allocated by any of the
registries, regardless of whether the registration information
corresponds to reality or not. Requirement (b) is where things get
interesting.

The crunch in IP space can be drastically reduced if the horded
addressed where returned to the pool for use by those that need
them.

1) what IP space "crunch"?

2) what incentive do you propose to give to encourage people to
   return address space to the pool of "usable" addresses? Given
   that they have not done so already, it is safe to assume "for
   the good of the Internet" is not sufficient.

Commerce can not function without law.

Nit: commerce functions quite well without law (as any drug dealer
will tell you). It does however need a consensus of behaviors among
buyers and sellers, although those behaviors need not to conform to
those of the rest of "society"...

Regards,
-drc

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This is only a NANOG matter in that the trade in address space
can be seen as undermining those who legitimately request CIDR
blocks and then spend the time to justify them and SWIP the
addresses.

Not to beat this into the ground ...

1) what IP space "crunch"?

Addresess are harder to get then they where in 1990. You could
(and many people did) ask for a class B and get it with little
or no hassle. I know people who did it and held on to unused
class Bs based on speculation that they could sell them.

$10K is a good return on some e-mail sent seven years ago.

2) what incentive do you propose to give to encourage people to
   return address space to the pool of "usable" addresses? Given
   that they have not done so already, it is safe to assume "for
   the good of the Internet" is not sufficient.

If I can not sell it, I don't need it and it costs me money,
why keep it?

Most of the IP address speculators will give them up if annual
fees are assessed for allocated address space and they can not
transfer them.

I suspect a large number of organizations would then have the
incentive to move to proxies and addresses per RFC 1918

http://ds.internic.net/rfc/rfc1918.txt

>Commerce can not function without law.

Nit: commerce functions quite well without law (as any drug dealer
will tell you). It does however need a consensus of behaviors among
buyers and sellers, although those behaviors need not to conform to
those of the rest of "society"...

Regards,
-drc

Point Taken. I was taking a rather Hamiltonian approach with my
argument and it has some flaws. I should have replace law with
consensus ... a more Jeffersonian view. Laws do not function with
out the consensus of the governed; nor do rules of commerce without
a consensus within the given market.

What is the InterNIC policy on the sale of class Bs?

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Hi,

Let me toss an Idea to encourage people to return address space.
  *) Charge to NIC's (whole) IP Database Entry as maintenace fee.

It will
A) discourage people to store "not used addresses".
B) Charging refresh the Database Entry, regullaly. So, addresses will not
be lost.
C) Cost of the database maintenace should be payed by someone. Even the
address was allocated/assigned.

P.S.
Database Entry is not the IP address. It's a set of IP addresses, its
administrative responsible is the same.

Regards,

Ichiro Mizukoshi
e-mail(office):ichiro@TokyoNet.ad.jp
Tel:+81-3-3341-6301 Fax:+81-3-3341-6305