Cisco TAC KRAP !!

Over the last year it seems that the quality of service I have received from TAC has diminished. At one time I found myself speaking to a knowledgeable engineer. Who knew the product and protocols involved and they were willing to share information.

The norm these days is to get an engineer who knows less then I do. I'm call requesting technical information pertaining to their products, What I get is some clown telling me to hold on while he surfs the internal web page looking for the answer. I can scan CCO myself!!

Is it just me ?

Phantom hates Cisco or should I say Sissy-Co TAC!!

It's the real life - you became skilled, and technical support (of any
company) rotate and can't be skilled enougph. Cisco DID the rigth thing -
they create CCO.

Through we sometimes have got real support from the local cisco people
(not from the Cisco Russia but from some other companies specialised by
CISCO). Sometimes we did not. And I never had an illusions about TAC - if
you are not hight-priority customer or CCIE yourself, you have nit a
chance to contact really skilled people by TAC.

Nothing strange.

Did you send back the survey with appropriate comments filled out? Did you
attempt to contact someone about the support level you received? Have you
made any attempt at all to help Cisco solve the problem?

Cisco is very concerned about the level of support our customers get; any
duly reported problems are looked into and we attempt to resolve everything
we can.

However, calling people clowns and sissies on a public mailing list is
unlikely to solve your problem, regardless of what company your problem is
with. Grow up.

And FYI, Cisco has over 7 million web pages internally just for Cisco
employees; just because your engineer may not be personally acquainted with
your exact question (I dare you to find *any* human who can be up on every
single detail of our products) doesn't mean he's wandering around on CCO.

Stephen

     > > Stephen Sprunk, K5SSS, CCIE #3723
    :|: :|: NSA, Network Consulting Engineer
   :|||: :|||: 14875 Landmark Blvd #400; Dallas, TX
.:|||||||:..:|||||||:. Pager: 800-365-4578 / 800-901-6078
C I S C O S Y S T E M S Email: ssprunk@cisco.com

Did you send back the survey with appropriate comments filled out? Did you
attempt to contact someone about the support level you received? Have you
made any attempt at all to help Cisco solve the problem?

Yes, we are doing it every time. Note, we don't blame CISCO at all - I
undertsnd the big company can't keep direct contacts betwee high-skilled
technicians and the customers except some very important ones.

We have a goot feedback by the technical seminars and local support
people from the AMT Group (the better cisco reseller in the Russia), and
sometimes with the CISCO Russia people.

And then, there is different interests. If I understand the situation
right, CISCO is injecting a huge intellectial and financial capital into
the VoIP, ATM, WDM technology etc etc and is trying to get a goot rate
amongs the big international TELCO's. No doubt, the traditional issues
such as _IP CORE BACKBONE_, _DIALUP ACCESS_, etc etc are shifting to the
second level. No one can blame the vendor for this approach.

Through we had some success in technical contacts last months, but I
recommend everybody don't hope to the technical support. It he
(everybody) is not 100,000 employee telco.

On the other hand, just CCO web service fill in this gup between _low
skilled_ human support and _high skilled technicians_. I think it should
be better if CISCO support some kind of WWW conferences, some kind of
excanging _know_how_ between their customers, but I undersnand it's not
so easy to develop such support. If we make some complains here, or if I
(sometimes) refer to the CISCO as an example when something work wrong,
it don't mean we are dissatisfyed - in comparation with the others CISCO
have an excellent support.

Through I think we are talking about one vendor too much here, and get
quiet.

Alex.

Cisco is very concerned about the level of support our customers get; any
duly reported problems are looked into and we attempt to resolve everything
we can.

However, calling people clowns and sissies on a public mailing list is
unlikely to solve your problem, regardless of what company your problem is
with. Grow up.

And FYI, Cisco has over 7 million web pages internally just for Cisco
employees; just because your engineer may not be personally acquainted with
your exact question (I dare you to find *any* human who can be up on every
single detail of our products) doesn't mean he's wandering around on CCO.

Stephen

     > > Stephen Sprunk, K5SSS, CCIE #3723
    :|: :|: NSA, Network Consulting Engineer
   :|||: :|||: 14875 Landmark Blvd #400; Dallas, TX
.:|||||||:..:|||||||:. Pager: 800-365-4578 / 800-901-6078
C I S C O S Y S T E M S Email: ssprunk@cisco.com

From: TOO MUCH
To: nanog@merit.edu
Sent: Friday, June 25, 1999 11:43
Subject: Cisco TAC KRAP !!

Over the last year it seems that the quality of service I have received from
TAC has diminished. At one time I found myself speaking to a knowledgeable
engineer. Who knew the product and protocols involved and they were willing
to share information.

The norm these days is to get an engineer who knows less then I do. I'm call
requesting technical information pertaining to their products, What I get is
some clown telling me to hold on while he surfs the internal web page
looking for the answer. I can scan CCO myself!!

Is it just me ?

Phantom hates Cisco or should I say Sissy-Co TAC!!

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* Alex Bligh (amb@gxn.net) [990625 20:27]:

>From a non-cisco internal point of view, when I have a problem
with Cisco TAC's performance which happens occassionally, I contact
my account manager and/or our contact in Cisco Service. Whilst
I can't say they've fixed everything 100% of the time, they are
far more likely to do something than whinging anonymously on
NANOG. Every call desk has their rogue idiots. Another part
of my company runs several desks- when people complain, we identify
the individuals and try & get it fixed. In order to do this
they'll need your name, and the rep's name.

On a final note (and no I don't take their shilling) Cisco's
TAC is the best of any large-scale hardware vendor I've
ever used. Still. Despite foibles. If you a lot worse, you
should have tried Ascend Europe (which has possibly
improved since a year ago when we dumped all their
kit - this being one of the main reasons).

The cynic in my wonders why this is posted anonymously.
Just what have you got to hide? Not working for a competitor
or market researcher per chance?

--
Alex Bligh
GX Networks (formerly Xara Networks)

Well....

My experience with Cisco-TAC is mixed. Sometimes, if you have VERY big
problems, they help you quite quickly, so i agree to your position about
the cisco tac.

But if it depends general issues (e.g. FastEthernet Card on 3640 not
recognizing Link, asking for documentation about internal registers )
then you run into problems. Therefore i had the same negative response
as the poster of the original mail on nanog.

About Ascend TAC: It depends on which issue you ask them.
If you have Problems with MAX or TNT or "access equipment" you might
have a problem :-))

If you are talking with them about "core switches" like our (now lovely
workingi) BSTDX 9000's we purchased from them, you get 1A (means
FANTASTIC SUPPORT) service and support.

From my point of view, it depends which hardware support do you need and

the knowledge about this products (and the history behind the product).

Jan Czmok
Senior Network Engineer
Gigabell AG

they put you on hold to talk to somebody who knows his stuff that doesnt
take phone calls. they cant put sr engineers at the frontline.. it would
be a waste of talent since 80% of all calls are because customers are less
then incompetent.

latah,
-andrew