Further, there is such thing as a local whitelist of IP addresses.
Easier to just not use the BL.
Besides, there are plenty of useful blacklists with very low FP rates
who are responsive. Why use one that has high FP and is unresponsive?
*shrugs* Thats up to you. I never held a gun to your head telling you to use the AHBL.
See we completely agree!
Running a blacklist sucks. It's got to be one of the hardest jobs for a
white-hat to do on the 'Net. But if you don't like it, don't do it.
Doing it then complaining about it after is .. silly.
I'm not complaining. People talk shit about Michelle, and yes, I will get involved. She's a friend of mine, and a fellow DNSbl maintainer.
Michelle has tried very hard to do some good thing. She has succeed at some of them.
She has failed miserably at others. To the point where there are many people who believe she has done more harm than good.
I am on the fence about her overall utility to the 'Net. I tend to believe the balance is more good than bad, if for no other reason than she raised awareness of the issue. But I could not argue strongly against those who believe otherwise, especially those who have been forced to pay to get delisted.
I strongly recommend _against_ using SORBS. I've never used your BL, but given the ambiguity of your responses ("it takes two weeks .. uh .. unless you call me out about it on a public mailing list"), I'm inclined to never use it. Which is fine with you, so hopefully that makes us both happy.
If you call that talking shit, bring it on. Being a DNSBL maintainer does not make you immune to factually correct criticism.
Holy crap, what's with all the AHBL hate? At the very least they have a responsive human and - last time I checked - they don't require an exchange of money to get off the list. I'd hazard a guess that "two weeks" includes the responsiveness of the other party. I unsuspended a domain yesterday because the other party just now got around to the notices I sent 3 months ago on their hacked content manager hosting phishing sites.
Definitely not what the poster was implying (one could argue outright stating).
I've never met anyone who quoted "It takes X long" when X was mostly waiting for you to respond. Why do you assume they would inflate their stats and make themselves look that bad in such a silly way?
People bitch and whine about free services more than when they actually pay for something. Sad.
That is not at all clear from the post above, or anything else in this thread.
Hell, I don't even see hate for AHBL. I just see .. indifference. Just 'cause I and others do not want to use a service doesn't mean we hate it.
Sadly, this is for remote hosts. I have no idea why someone would use such
services as there are too many false positives.
Desperation in trying to limit the amount of spam delivered.
It is like using an IDS that is 2 weeks behind on it's definition.
That's still going to be more effective than no IDS.
Anyone blocking using DNSBLs really ought to know how to locally whitelist to override the DNSBLs. Maybe you'll need to accept mail from a host that legitimately has issues and isn't a FP.
People bitch and whine about free services more than when they actually
pay for something. Sad.
That's the nature of people who want something for nothing. When you charge, even a little bit, you select the bottom part of the gene pool out of your client base.
You make the donation to a "registered charity", not to SORBS. Michelle never sees a dime, nor does anyone else associated with SORBS.
You can still call it a ransom if you like, I won't even argue, but in fairness I thought it was useful to make that distinction.
In more fairness, last time I checked, all but one of the 'registered charities' asked to be removed from the SORBS list because it was doing them more harm than good.
Interpretation of these facts is left up to the reader, I am not making any judgements.
AFAIK, the donation requirement is for getting IPs off the "your IP has sent us spam" subzone of the SORBS dnsbl. Most of the people I'm aware of who've had issues with SORBS have wanted to get incorrect listings removed from the SORBS DUL