Bay Networks in bed with commie censors?

Paul Ferguson writes:

>The technology we're playing with lost it virginity years ago, and
>it is our duty to remember than it can be an immensely powerful tool
>in politics and military. We're not in a sandbox anymore.

Not everything is a freeking conspiracy either.

Vadim is making a reasonable point. Supplying technology to some
countries is not a neutral act. Businesspeople must take this into
account when doing business with such people.

That said, let me mention a difficult conversation I had about a year
and a half ago with a friend who works for Unnamed Large Company.

It was of this form:

"The PRC wants us to supply them with technology to censor their
internet connections. Do I refuse on the basis that it is wrong to aid
them in attempting to achieve their goal, or do I go along with it on
the premise that they basically can't succeed in the end anyway and
this will give them a false sense of security that will encourage them
to link up the country?"

I couldn't really answer well. These sorts of moral dillemas often
have no good answer.

I suspect, though, that Vadim's assumption that the folks at Bay
proudly announcing their marketing coup probably had no such moral
dillemas in mind when they made their decision. Make no mistake about
it, by the way -- the government of the PRC isn't a friendly bunch of

Since it isn't clear that this will cause harm or good I'm not as
clear on my reaction as Vadim was.


MMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmm...........Do the same considerations apply to
BUYING from the PRC?

We were working in our NOC last night unpacking and installing a
Cisco 7513 and a Catalyst 5000 switch and one of them had cooling fans
that were clearly marked "Made in China" ie. made in the PRC.

Why is SELLING to the PRC by Bay any more morally difficult than
BUYING from the PRC by Cisco?

Bay sells to the PRC; Cisco buys from the PRC.

Has any University stood on principle and refused to buy from Cisco?
Bay? On this basis?

University SysAdmins can read the component labels as well as Private
Sector SysAdmins.

But then The North American Universities' hands aren't very clean
after their own supression of Student Speech during the Pograms of
80's in their own futile attempt at "Cultural Revolution" AKA
"Political Correctness?" I am thankful the University didn't have

Sell/Buy PRC ??

mox nix,

tanto faz......

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