102/8 AfriNIC 2011-02 whois.afrinic.net ALLOCATED
103/8 APNIC 2011-02 whois.apnic.net ALLOCATED
104/8 ARIN 2011-02 whois.arin.net ALLOCATED
179/8 LACNIC 2011-02 whois.lacnic.net ALLOCATED
185/8 RIPE NCC 2011-02 whois.ripe.net ALLOCATED
It's been a fun ride, adios good friend.
-wil
Still a few LEGACY in the status column
-M
And we have yet to see what happens with backend transactions between private institutions that have large blocks laying around, and them realizing that they have a marketable and valuable thing. We may all say it won't happen, we may even say we don't want it to happen, or that it shouldn't be allowed - but I'm a realist.
The real fun's going to be over the next several years as the RIR's become irrelevant in the acquisition of scarce IPv4 resources...and things become less stable as lots of orgs rush to implement a strange new IP version.
Be a realist. A private market in IPv4 leasing is inevitable. The RIRs won't/can't prevent it.
Supposedly[*] transfers between private entities are still supposed to be justified to the local RIRs. (At least that's how it works in ARIN's area.)
(apologies to REM)
The real fun's going to be over the next several years as the RIR's become irrelevant in the acquisition of scarce IPv4 resources...and things become less stable as lots of orgs rush to implement a strange new IP version.
There's clearly two things that need to be done:
1) Major infrastructure (ie: backhaul, corporate, ISP gateway) need to be upgraded/configured to support IPv6
2) Edge networks need to start to hand out IPv6 addresses and name servers. I think it would be great if providers started handing out IPv6 addressed name servers when an IPv4 client does a dhcp renew, etc.
(eg: the NANOG conference lan gave my iPhone/iPad v6 nameservers..)
#1 should be easy enough to do
#2 is complicated as well by the lack of a single coherent edge technology that can deliver solutions
- Jared
(btw: has anyone configured IOS PPTP/VPDN to hand out IPv6 that would be willing to share config example with me)
My theory is that IPv4 will continue to survive with companies
becoming more and more conservative on the use of space. IPv6 adoption
will happen more substantially as the cost of second hand IPv4 becomes
more and more severe, approaching the apex of IPv4 cost vs. IPv6
adoption cost.
Folks,
Somehow, it is appropriate that this should happen on February 3. On February 3, 1959, Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and JP Richardson (aka The Big Bopper) died in a plane crash. Don McLean immortalized that day as "The Day The Music Died" in his 1971 hit, "American Pie".
Ron
The only registry where it doesn't work that way at this time is APNIC.
RIPE is unfortunately considering the APNIC model.
Fortunately, APNIC is reconsidering their model.
Owen
That's what the RIR might say. But without legal authority (e.g. under contract, as a regulator, or through statutory authority) it is difficult or impossible to enforce.
We can talk about how people "should" return addresses, or "should" justify transfers, etc, but we would only be begging. Transfers will take place outside the RIR scope, because RIR transfer/market policy doesn't accommodate reality.
Or, we can fix policy..?
Cheers,
-Benson
Well, I'm doing my part by turning up native IPv6 at my parent's house
this week or next. They are not technically inclined and I'm confident
it won't be a problem.
~Seth
You missed the [*] where I said "I know, I know...."
I was going to say this when I walked up to the mic at the IPv4 runout talk yesterday morning, but sat down when they said "we're going to wrap this up now" and ended up going and talking to the RIPE people about it.
For a year or more, there have been RIPE region LIRs willing to lease relatively large amounts of IPv4 to anyone willing to pay. The ones I've been noticing have been "snowshoe spammers" who get their RIPE space and then announce it in datacenters in the US...presumably on rented dedicated servers from which they send spam.
My point being, the leasing of IP space to non-connectivity customers is already well established, whether it's technically permitted by the [ir]relevant RIRs. I fully expect this to continue and spread. Eventually, holders of large legacy blocks will realize they can make good money acting as an LIR, leasing portions of their unused space to people who need it and can't get it, want it and don't qualify, etc.
These start-up LIRs won't be bound by RIR policies, both because in some cases they'll be legacy space holders with no RSA with their region's RIR, and because they won't be worried about eligibility for future RIR allocations of v4 space...because there won't be any.
For all you folks mourning the demise of IPv4, could you PLEASE
transfer those old, used, not useful to you anymore IPv4 blocks
to me ... PLEASE? Pretty Please?
just saying.
--bill
Seth,
What sort of ISP do your "not technically inclined" parents have that
offers native ipv6?
That's what the RIR might say. But without legal authority (e.g. under contract, as a regulator, or through statutory authority) it is difficult or impossible to enforce.
Transfers are permitted in the ARIN region per the community developed policies.
We can talk about how people "should" return addresses, or "should" justify transfers, etc, but we would only be begging. Transfers will take place outside the RIR scope, because RIR transfer/market policy doesn't accommodate reality.
Such transfers should be reported when noticed, so the resources can be reclaimed and reissued.
Or, we can fix policy..?
Absolutely... if the policy doesn't match your needs, please make a policy proposal.
Thanks!
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN
And exactly this song was later rephrased as 'the day the routers died'
concerning IPv4 exhaustion at RIPE55 meeting. Another coincidence ?