2017 NANOG Elections General Information

Hi NANOG Community,

Nominations are rapidly coming to a close - September 8th is the last day
to submit nominees.

Unfortunately, to follow up on my paragraph about diversity: So far, every
single candidate that has completed the nomination process is a white male.

Having sat in on sessions such as Women in Technology lunch, I know that
this community is passionate about diversity. If you, or a friend, would
like to discuss what it takes to be on the NANOG board, I or my colleagues
would love to speak about it.

If you're ready to enter the nomination process, you can see details below.

Best Regards,
-Dave Temkin, for the NANOG Board of Directors

What you're describing is a very coarse form of diversity based on physical characteristics. A white man who has lived his entire life as a peasant in Ukraine may well have a very different outlook and life experience to a white man who grew up in Australia. These two white men could bring quite diverse viewpoints to any situation even though they share some superficial characteristics.

I have always supported the most suitable candidates for any role, irrespective of their physical characteristics. I will always continue to do so.

Rob

While I respect your opinion, it's impossible to enumerate every single
possible combination that would make a person diverse and keep this a
reasonable length email.

Diversity of race and gender (amongst other things) is a shortcut to saying
diversity of background. What we have today are a bunch of North American
males that came up in similar backgrounds.

What I can say, and what does concern me, is that the current board shares
a lot of very similar characteristics that are easy to group together due
to our gender and ethnicity. This leads to groupthink and other less
desirable behaviors by a team tasked with setting a strategic direction
that benefits millions of very different people all over the internet.

And with that, I will state that we have many qualified candidates on the
slate, both who fit the current grouping and those who will bring some
amount of diversity to the group. You are free to vote whomever you choose.

Best Regards,
-Dave

my impression is that, in recent years, one has to be a white frat boy
who is proud of being drunk.

randy, who stopped attending

I think you would have to work very hard to find a more sober group of
individuals than the current and past members of the NANOG Board. I don't
disagree with Randy that there is too much drinking and too much white frat
boy nonsense in our industry. That being said, if you look at the past
members of the NANOG board - folks like Sylvie, Dave, Ryan, Greg, Steve F,
Mike Smith, Steve Gibbard, Duane, Jezzibell - you'll find people who *don't*
buy into the party culture that sometimes surrounds NANOG.

This leads to a good point, and I think the point Randy was trying to make
- the Board elections should not be a popularity contest, either in terms
of who people like or who the best engineers are. It should *not* be
focused on who has the most fun at the socials or the room parties.

Carefully look at the qualifications of who is running. Do they have prior
experience on NANOG committees? Are they long time volunteers who
understand the community and its mission? Are they diverse and help us look
more like the network engineering community at large? There are a great mix
of folks running. Some clearly do not meet these standards. Some do. Please
be discerning in your vote.

Dan

This leads to a good point, and I think the point Randy was trying to make
- the Board elections should not be a popularity contest, either in terms
of who people like or who the best engineers are. It should *not* be
focused on who has the most fun at the socials or the room parties.

+1 ... and ..

... if I may expand candidly on this, I'd like to see a little less of an -- to use the term loosely -- "Old Boys Network" mentality at meetings.

I point specifically to the opening talk at Bellevue where there were wackily photoshop'd pictures of NANOG star heavy-hitters.

I consider myself a relative newcomer to the community, and I find the meetings invaluable, but I've been to enough of them to know who the folks pictured were. Had I been a first-time attendee, I would've felt like a high-school freshman being told who all the "cool seniors" were.

Frankly, it was awkward and off-putting.

Just my $0.02 worth.

my impression is that, in recent years, one has to be a white frat boy
who is proud of being drunk.

One of those rare occasions when Randy and I are in complete agreement.

> my impression is that, in recent years, one has to be a white frat boy
> who is proud of being drunk.

One of those rare occasions when Randy and I are in complete agreement.

So how do we fix it? As usual, that part is missed. Easier to snipe, not so
easy to act.

> I point specifically to the opening talk at Bellevue where there were
wackily photoshop'd pictures of NANOG star heavy-hitters.
> Had I been a first-time attendee, I would've felt like a high-school
freshman being told who all the "cool seniors" were.
> Frankly, it was awkward and off-putting.

Probably a safe bet that it was mostly aspirant juniors. To my occasional
observation, the cool seniors don't attend anymore. Unless Stephen Stuart
or Sean Doran or John Hawkinson showed up. Which would surprise me very
much.

I didn't like that opening, at all. I disliked it slightly less than when
they had a video making fun of us. I personally and in my Board position
thank NTT for sponsoring our events, and we give them, like all other
hosts, a few minutes during the opening to do something that they think
attendees will find educational and/or entertaining. I, like you, sincerely
hate the inside jokes being tossed around from the stage and gave them my
personal feedback as such. They are far from the only sponsor to have done
so, and if you really feel that it's causing a hostile environment for
newcomers, I suggest you speak up about it on the members list so that we
can figure out the best way to fix it. With that said, newcomers may feel
this moment of awkwardness during the opening, but we go above and beyond
afterwards to make them feel welcome (newcomers lunch with a personal
shepherd, etc.) that I hope at least has made up for some of it in the
past.

I won't sit around and mourn the greybeards that choose or don't choose to
show up. We can't go chasing after people who have had vast changes in
their career responsibilities and life circumstances and assume that we can
always produce the conference that fits their aspirations. At some point we
need to hand the torch over to the next guard, and that's the root of my
diversity screed. If we try to be everything to everyone, we end up as
nothing to no one (or worse, ITW). The board has been nothing but receptive
towards ideas on how to make these meetings more valuable to long time and
first time attendees alike.

-Dave Temkin
NANOG Board Chair

Patrick has pointed out to me that my offhand dismissiveness painted with an overly broad brush and encompassed people whom I undoubtedly do not think so little of. So, my sincere apologies for my tone and speaking-out-of-turn about a slide deck that I hadn’t actually seen. I do very much miss the “cool seniors” who worked so hard to make this what it was, twenty-five and thirty years ago; I owe them a lot. I’m sure the people who are working hard to make the organization what it is today are serving a similar function for people who are entering the industry today.

Nostalgia was causing me to conflate two things which are unrelated The frat-boy thing is a problem, not only in NANOG, but in ARIN and RIPE. I’d very much like to see it fixed, so that everyone can enjoy collegial support, rather than just a subset of participants.

                                -Bill

>> I point specifically to the opening talk at Bellevue where there were
wackily photoshop'd pictures of NANOG star heavy-hitters.
>> Had I been a first-time attendee, I would've felt like a high-school
freshman being told who all the "cool seniors" were.
>> Frankly, it was awkward and off-putting.
>
> Probably a safe bet that it was mostly aspirant juniors.

Patrick has pointed out to me that my offhand dismissiveness painted with
an overly broad brush and encompassed people whom I undoubtedly do not
think so little of. So, my sincere apologies for my tone and
speaking-out-of-turn about a slide deck that I hadn’t actually seen. I do
very much miss the “cool seniors” who worked so hard to make this what it
was, twenty-five and thirty years ago; I owe them a lot. I’m sure the
people who are working hard to make the organization what it is today are
serving a similar function for people who are entering the industry today.

Thanks Bill. That's definitely an accurate representation from my personal
vantage point. Personally in my role within the organization I've stressed
the importance of bringing the next Paul Vixie or Sean Doran into the
industry and fostering their growth and influence. To me that's where NANOG
can add the most value for the next 70 meetings.

Nostalgia was causing me to conflate two things which are unrelated The
frat-boy thing is a problem, not only in NANOG, but in ARIN and RIPE. I’d
very much like to see it fixed, so that everyone can enjoy collegial
support, rather than just a subset of participants.

Totally agree here. I'd love to come up with more ideas on how to fix this
real issue; my personal diversity & inclusion bent is squarely aimed at
that problem.

-Dave

So how do we fix it?

since bussing is out, you're left with affirmative action :slight_smile:

ask the ripe women, a strong group, how they got women to be willing to
server on the board

ask the ietf women, a strong group, how they got women to be willing to
server in the iesg

apnic has a star woman on the execcom, ask her

this is most strongly an american disease. nanog has encouraged and
supported a frat boy ego parade and beauty contest. try the ietf
nomcomm approach, but with zero white boys on the nomcomm.

btw, one trick is getting more then one diverse player, so the one is
not a martian and has peer support

s/women/diversity/

q: how many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb

> So how do we fix it?

this is most strongly an american disease. nanog has encouraged and
supported a frat boy ego parade and beauty contest. try the ietf
nomcomm approach, but with zero white boys on the nomcomm.

Love the idea, and I agree that the elections are a popularity contest in
many cases and not a measure of who is most capable for the job. Luckily,
we've generally ended up with people who are both - but that's not always
best for the organization long term, and we generally end up with "more of
the same".

In my tenure in NANOG we've floated the idea of a nomcom a few times, but
it's generally been summarily shot down. Are you suggesting that we try and
float the idea again? I'm not 100% clear, but I believe it would require a
bylaw change.

btw, one trick is getting more then one diverse player, so the one is
not a martian and has peer support

s/women/diversity/

Completely agree; gender is only one of various keys that are important
here. Race, age, national origin, orientation, etc. - all of these things
matter in avoiding groupthink and helping to ensure that the board is
representative of the membership that we wish to attract.

q: how many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb
a: one, but the light bulb has to want to change

Alternate A: Depends, are we having the conference in a union hotel?

I honestly wondered whether to wade in here, as I'm another person that
seems to have drifted away from the NANOG community.

But why have I drifted? Partly because I've only got so much T&E budget to
go at, and sometimes I need to be somewhere else that isn't a NANOG
meeting. NANOG has stopped being a "must attend" event for me, and become a
"nice to do", probably once a year to catch up with some people, and only
if I'm not too busy already.

I've also not renewed my NANOG membership since it lapsed last year despite
having previously been a member since NANOG memberships were first offered
in 2011.

One of the things that lost my continued membership was a recent election
where a number of candidates ran as a slate. I felt it to be cringeworthy
and unwarranted. When the opportunity to renew came, I chose not to give
NANOG any more money because members of the incumbent Board had taken an
action that had disappointed me.

I strongly believe the NANOG community is best served by candidates elected
based on their individual merit and their stated platform.

Right now, the Board is all too easily perceived as an unassailable
hegemony of powerful, successful individuals, who hold senior roles in
their (successful) parent orgs, and that's regardless of the positive and
community-spirited intentions they may have had when standing for election.

It feels as though we need to wait for people to term-out and hope one of
their powerful buddies isn't standing to continue the dynasty. Is that what
the Board really wants? It seems not, but that's how it's ended up looking.

There's also something of an "escalator" assumption about passage through
committees and eventually becoming a Board member. While I don't doubt the
experience of the other committees is useful, this "escalator" isn't
necessarily a healthy path to Board membership.

Back to the meetings themselves, I feel NANOG has become less of a
welcoming meeting of technical peers and feels more like a trade fair,
dominated by cliques, cabals, suites & private side rooms. The trade fair
mentality likely attracted the undesirable trade fair antics that have been
spoken of on this thread, perhaps unsurprisingly. Meanwhile, the governance
seems to have become rather politicised and less representative of the
community.

That said, I'm pleased to see there's some recognition of the shortcomings
and a desire to change the status quo.

How that's done? Well that's a whole different question, but I think Dan
made a few good points earlier in the thread. Maybe part of the solution is
having some proportion of Board seats appointed by some sort of nominating
process, while retaining the elections for others, to try and achieve a
more balanced Board.

Thanks,
Mike