Hello masters of the Internet,
I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a
Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do
IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also
The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps)
and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to
stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the
customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P
(Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs.
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application.
I would also vote for Mikrotik products; IMHO this looks perfect for this situation.
Also it falls pretty much flat on it's face the moment you do anything
useful in terms of firewalling / NATing.
As much as I enjoy Mikrotik products and respect my friends and peers who
use them, until ROS 7.x the CCR is a "gimped" product.
Thanks Aaron. Unless something has changed recently, I don't think the
Brocade ICX series does NAT either.
Hmm, the chances of getting a single flow of more than 1gig to/from the "internet" is close to zero in a CPE situation. If the Connection is a service provider or similar sure, this limitation may well apply, but a home user (however high end), nope I just can't see it. If you need something capable of a single stream over 1G with 10G interfaces then really cost is going to have to be no object. If this is the case then something like a 600D will do the job -
Add any 10G switch you like off the second SFP+ port if you need 10G CPE, it's not likely to need to be an expensive one (EX3300?)
I've used the Mikrotik CCR's as high end CPE (with 10G uplink) very successfully as they offer excellent price/performance, but if that's no object then there are plenty of options.
Different philosophy - strings attached.
When I sell a service, either residential or business or DIA, the terms are
clearly stated. If I were selling a multi-hundred dollar a month service,
the CPE cost is minimal. If I don't offer a service that is at least
*capable* of providing what I'm selling, then my competition will.
I prefer to not hand out competitive advantages.
Not *exactly* what you're asking for, but a Lanner appliance (http://www.lannerinc.com/products/network-appliances/x86-rackmount-network-appliances/nca-5210) might suit your needs.
Would still need a Chelsio / Mellanox etc card, and even then you're not
going to hit line rate if you have NAT or any traffic shaping enabled at
all. Maybe with DPDK/netmap/pf_ring, but that would be some pretty custom
Does that lanner even do SFP+? Dont see it listed in the specs. Looks like 4210 has
2x SFP+, though their 'performance' level products look more in line with 'useful'.
As for the microtics, wonky user interface, so very unciscolike (i guess thats
my problem - but the GUI thing feels like a toy), but for their midrange models I found
their bgp convergence times pretty poor on their low end cpus...
What do you put on the lanner? OpenBGPd? Quagga? Also looking for a 10G solution
here, low power (than a full ASR stack..) is my goal for 5-6 full bgp feeds.
Hope you all realize a few minor details:-
Mikrotik is a ROS (Router Operating System), based on linux.
Mikrotik also makes hardware called RouterBoards.
Having said that...
Mikrotik ROS runs on X86 platforms (such as Lanner or axiomtek)
Similarly you can also run linux on the Routerboard platforms.
Having said that...
Lanner & Axiomtek etc x86 appliances have one pcie slot, where you can install the NIC of your choice.
Dual 10g SFP+ Intel Card or 2/4/6 port Hotlava Card, or Chelsio etc.
You can mix and match to suite your needs.
Don't like RouterBoard or CCR's, no problem you can run MT ROS on an X86 Platform of your choice.
These days you can even run it on a VM solution...
Don't like MT ROS, no problem feel free to run your choice of OS, and routing daemons.
Want a high performance x86 Firewall... inexpensive.. look at Server-U, ask them about their custom solution with Chelsio Cards.
Don't like any of the above, feel free to by a Box with a Name on it (Brocade, Cisco, Juniper etc etc)..
Yes, each platform has it's advantages, and it's short comings, and no one solution fits all needs.
(Want to tow your boat, get a Hummer, want to go fast, get a ferrari.... don't try to tow you boat with a ferrari, or race in the streets with a hummer !)
Snappy Internet & Telecom
The CCRs' primary weaknesses are full tables and 1 gigabit cap per flow. Neither is likely to be an issue for this residential use case.
If I were sold a $400/mo+ service that had a limitation like that, I would
be very unhappy.
To each their own.
Conversely, the UI is Mikrotik's big draw.
Being or not being like CIsco has zero bearing on me. Assuming the commands do what they say they'll do, any platform with tab complete is fine.
I'm glad you're in Missouri and not in my area.